<div dir="ltr"><div>Joe thanks for the time ,efforts and thoughts</div><div>Aloow me to thniik over and come back to you .Perhaps the combination of both by adding your last to your previous suggestion with&quot; in other words&quot; could be a solution.</div><div>Kavouss  </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-13 14:39 GMT+02:00 joseph alhadeff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Kavous:<br>
    <br>
    I think it depends on the nature of the concern, that&#39;s why t needs
    to be on a case by case basis.  For example, ICC-Basis as a whole
    may have wanted more testing of the proposal, but that may not be
    the basis for saying it is not a proposal that should be
    considered.  I think the operational communities, because of their
    role, and if the nature of the objection is operational, have a
    different nature of objection...<br>
    <br>
    Perhaps a better phrasing might be:<br>
    <br>
    All stakeholder communities have a role in the development of the
    broad consensus called for; the nature, scope and breadth of support
    of concerns/objections within and across stakeholder communities
    will impact the ability of the ICG to submit a proposal that meets
    the requirements of the NTIA process. Concerns of an operational
    nature form one or more operational community would also
    significantly limit the ability of ICG to submit a proposal that
    meets the terms of the  NTIA requirements.<br>
    <br>
    This would replace the last sentence.<br>
    <br>
    Its certainly not exact, but as we have found, precise terms have
    been beyond our reach because of the need to properly apply these
    principles in context...<br>
    <br>
    Happy to see if anyone has better words than mine...<br>
    <br>
    Joe <br><div><div class="h5">
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    <div>On 9/13/2014 7:24 AM, Kavouss Arasteh
      wrote:<br>
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        <div>Joe, <br>
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        <div>Thank you very much for your attempt to narrow down the
          exting divergence.</div>
        <div>In the last sentence of  added bullet </div>
        <div>Quote</div>
        <div><strong>While consensus of all stakeholder communities is
            the objective, it seems clear from the NTIA requirements,
            that the objection of an operational community would
            significantly limit the ability of the ICG to submit an
            acceptable consensus proposal. &quot;</strong></div>
        <div><strong>Unquote</strong></div>
        <div>Please kindly clarify the  situation in theexample given by
          Martin  in which IF all 5 GAC members or ALAC +ICC-BASIS
          object to a case Under consideration </div>
        <div>a) Does that objection significantly limit the ability of
          the ICG to submit an acceptable consensus proposal. &quot; </div>
        <div>b) To which of the 3 operational Communities ( names,
          numbers and protocol parameter )  GAC or ALAC +ICC-BASIS could
          be associated .</div>
        <div>In general ,your added text further clarify the matter .I
          am comfortable that you have maintained the concept of case by
          case .</div>
        <div>Awating your kind clarification </div>
        <div>Kavouss </div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-13 12:32 GMT+02:00 joseph
          alhadeff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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            <div> Colleagues:<br>
              <br>
              In an attempt to find a middle ground, I have attempted to
              address a number of the issues through small edits.  for
              small minority, I have tried blending a number of the
              concepts into a new paragraph.
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span><span>·<span>         </span></span></span><b><span>Determinations
                    of consensus do not fit into a formula and the
                    concept of what is a small minority will need to be
                    determined on a case-by-case basis.<span>  </span>Factors

                    of determination may include the nature and
                    seriousness of the objection, the scope of support
                    for the objection – whole stakeholder community(ies)
                    or a subset of a or a number of communiites and the
                    attemps that have been made to resolve those
                    concerns/objections.<span>  </span>While consensus
                    of all stakeholder communities is the objective, it
                    seems clear from the NTIA requirements, that the
                    objection of an operational community would
                    significantly limit the ability of the ICG to submit
                    an acceptable consensus proposal. </span></b></p>
              <b><span><br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span> </span></b></p>
              <br>
              Other issues include a clarification of subject matter
              decisions (we do make decisions as to sufficiency of
              subject matter to meet NTIA requirement or the lack of
              consensus on an issue, that is beyond assembling, what we
              don&#39;t do is redraft the proposal),  as well as Martin&#39;s
              question related to why polling...<br>
              <br>
              Hope these help.<br>
              <br>
              Joe <br>
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                <div> <br>
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                  <div>On 9/12/2014 8:15 AM, Martin Boyle wrote:<br>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thank you Kavouss.  As
                          requested, I have made specific drafting
                          suggestions on the latest draft in drop box
                          (although there was also a suggestion from Joe
                          in a separate drafting thread where I have a
                          slightly different line from him).  I have
                          left the comments in place as I think it is
                          important that colleagues understand why I
                          have concerns.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I have not tried to
                          change the filename:  as Alissa pointed out in
                          her mail, this should wait for a new clean
                          draft to avoid causing confusion.</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Cheers</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Martin</span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Kavouss Arasteh [<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>]
                            <br>
                            <b>Sent:</b> 11 September 2014 21:34<br>
                            <b>To:</b> Martin Boyle<br>
                            <b>Cc:</b> Alissa Cooper; Coordination Group<br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus
                            building discussion</span></p>
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                          <p><span lang="EN-US">Martin</span></p>
                          <p><span lang="EN-US">I agree with most of the
                              things that you said.</span></p>
                          <p><span lang="EN-US">However, it might be
                              useful that you suggest a revision marked
                              text and move all of your comments to the
                              covering.</span></p>
                          <p><span lang="EN-US">It seems that at least I
                              have sympathy for many of your thoughts
                              but prefer to see your text possibly not
                              coming back to square one. No one believes
                              that anyone else should be excluded. A
                              team work means everybody should be given
                              the opportunity to comment.</span></p>
                          <p><span lang="EN-US">What bothers me is that
                              some people want to restrict the process
                              to only three operational communities
                              .While we agree that their interest should
                              be met but we want to give opportunity to
                              others </span></p>
                          <p><span lang="EN-US">I am happy that you also
                              agree to maintain the case by
                              case approach.</span></p>
                          <p><span lang="EN-US">Waiting your editorial
                              and other sort of amendment in a revision
                              mark approach not introducing square
                              bracket and comments in the margin</span></p>
                          <p><span lang="EN-US">SUGGEST CONCRETE
                              AMENDMENTS and give the name to the file
                              as you wish</span></p>
                          <p><span lang="EN-US">However, I wish to
                              reiterate that I would have serious
                              difficulties if one focus on a particular
                              case or particular community or the
                              language and approach used by a particular
                              community</span></p>
                          <p><span lang="EN-US">We need to be general
                              and cover every body&#39;s case </span></p>
                          <p><span>Regards</span></p>
                          <p><span>Kavouss </span></p>
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