<div dir="ltr"><div>Joe,</div><div>Thank you very much for your attempt to narrow down the exting divergence.</div><div>In the last sentence of added bullet </div><div>Quote</div><div><strong><font color="#1f497d">While consensus of all stakeholder communities is the objective, it seems clear from the NTIA requirements, that the objection of an operational community would significantly limit the ability of the ICG to submit an acceptable consensus proposal. "</font></strong></div><div><strong><font color="#1f497d">Unquote</font></strong></div><div><font color="#1f497d">Please kindly clarify the situation in theexample given by Martin in which </font><font color="#1f497d">IF all 5 GAC members or ALAC +ICC-BASIS object to a case Under consideration </font></div><div><font color="#1f497d">a) Does that objection significantly limit the ability of the ICG to submit an acceptable consensus proposal. " </font></div><div><font color="#1f497d">b) To which of the 3 operational Communities ( names, numbers and protocol parameter ) GAC or ALAC +ICC-BASIS could be associated .</font></div><div><font color="#1f497d">In general ,your added text further clarify the matter .I am comfortable that you have maintained the concept of case by case .</font></div><div><font color="#1f497d">Awating your kind clarification </font></div><div><font color="#1f497d">Kavouss </font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-13 12:32 GMT+02:00 joseph alhadeff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Colleagues:<br>
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In an attempt to find a middle ground, I have attempted to address a
number of the issues through small edits. for small minority, I
have tried blending a number of the concepts into a new paragraph.
<p class="MsoNormal" style><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Symbol"><span>·<span>
</span></span></span><b><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Determinations of
consensus do not fit
into a formula and the concept of what is a small minority
will need to be
determined on a case-by-case basis.<span> </span>Factors
of determination may include the nature and seriousness of the
objection, the
scope of support for the objection – whole stakeholder
community(ies) or a
subset of a or a number of communiites and the attemps that
have been made to resolve those concerns/objections.<span> </span>While
consensus of all stakeholder communities is the objective, it
seems clear from
the NTIA requirements, that the objection of an operational
community would significantly limit the ability of the ICG to
submit an acceptable
consensus proposal. <u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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Other issues include a clarification of subject matter decisions (we
do make decisions as to sufficiency of subject matter to meet NTIA
requirement or the lack of consensus on an issue, that is beyond
assembling, what we don't do is redraft the proposal), as well as
Martin's question related to why polling...<br>
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Hope these help.<br>
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Joe <br><div><div class="h5">
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<div>On 9/12/2014 8:15 AM, Martin Boyle
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Thank
you Kavouss. As requested, I have made specific drafting
suggestions on the latest draft in drop box (although there
was also a suggestion from Joe in a separate drafting thread
where I have a slightly different line from him). I have
left the comments in place as I think it is important that
colleagues understand why I have concerns.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I
have not tried to change the filename: as Alissa pointed
out in her mail, this should wait for a new clean draft to
avoid causing confusion.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Cheers<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Martin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> Kavouss Arasteh
[<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 11 September 2014 21:34<br>
<b>To:</b> Martin Boyle<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Alissa Cooper; Coordination Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building
discussion<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Martin</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">I agree with most of the things that you
said.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">However, it might be useful that you
suggest a revision marked text and move all of your
comments to the covering.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">It seems that at least I have sympathy for
many of your thoughts but prefer to see your text
possibly not coming back to square one. No one believes
that anyone else should be excluded. A team work means
everybody should be given the opportunity to comment.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">What bothers me is that some people want to
restrict the process to only three operational
communities .While we agree that their interest should
be met but we want to give opportunity to others </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">I am happy that you also agree to maintain
the case by case approach.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Waiting your editorial and other sort of
amendment in a revision mark approach not introducing
square bracket and comments in the margin</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">SUGGEST CONCRETE AMENDMENTS and give the
name to the file as you wish</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">However, I wish to reiterate that I would
have serious difficulties if one focus on a particular
case or particular community or the language and
approach used by a particular community</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">We need to be general and cover every
body's case
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Regards</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="background:white;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0cm;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:14pt">Kavouss
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