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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear all:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I will not be able to attend the call tomorrow. I have reviewed what I fervently hope is the latest stable draft of the ICG Guidelines for Decision Making,
which was sent out yesterday evening by Alissa. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I want to make it clear that the draft is acceptable to me in its current form.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Also, I discovered three typographical errors which I can point out to anyone interested/in charge of editing, but prefer not to circulate another draft at
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Have fun with your call tomorrow and I am so sorry I cannot be there with you.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Milton L Mueller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alissa Cooper<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 15, 2014 6:47 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kavouss Arasteh; joseph alhadeff; Martin Boyle<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Coordination Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Internal-cg] Consensus document - for discussion Sept 17<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I have attached and uploaded a v12-MU-ALC version (redlined and clean). This builds on the version Mary sent yesterday by adding in the language suggested by
Joe. The only other non-editorial edit I made was to remove the language about conducting a poll, which seemed to raise concerns. I’m fine with removing that language as long as if we want to occasionally conduct a poll (to obtain structured qualitative input
on a particular question, but not to count votes), we will have that option. But I don’t think we need to write that down here, so I’m fine with removing the language.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I’m happy to adopt the attached version. I think it gives us enough guidance so that we all have a shared understanding of our decision making process and objectives.
Of course, as with any document drafted by committee, it is not as perfect or as elegant as we perhaps would like for it to be. While we could probably continue to tweak this document forever, I’d rather not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I would
encourage everyone to consider the document in that light and see if you think it gives us enough of a foundation to move forward with the rest of our work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">My hope is that we can use the attached version as the basis for discussion on Sept 17.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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may not be clear) ... Perhaps we could clarify language in that direction to address your concerns?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On 9/14/2014 6:12 PM, Mary Uduma wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">What we need is TRUST+COMPROMISES which will result into CONSENSUS. .<br>
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On Sep 13, 2014, at 9:09 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I think it depends on the nature of the concern, that's why t needs to be on a case by case basis. For example, ICC-Basis as a whole may have wanted more testing of the proposal, but that may not be the basis for saying it is not a proposal that should be
considered. I think the operational communities, because of their role, and if the nature of the objection is operational, have a different nature of objection...<br>
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Perhaps a better phrasing might be:<br>
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All stakeholder communities have a role in the development of the broad consensus called for; the nature, scope and breadth of support of concerns/objections within and across stakeholder communities will impact the ability of the ICG to submit a proposal that
meets the requirements of the NTIA process. Concerns of an operational nature form one or more operational community would also significantly limit the ability of ICG to submit a proposal that meets the terms of the NTIA requirements.<br>
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This would replace the last sentence.<br>
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Its certainly not exact, but as we have found, precise terms have been beyond our reach because of the need to properly apply these principles in context...<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On 9/13/2014 7:24 AM, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Please kindly clarify the situation in theexample given by Martin in which IF all 5 GAC members or ALAC +ICC-BASIS object to a case Under consideration
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In an attempt to find a middle ground, I have attempted to address a number of the issues through small edits. for small minority, I have tried blending a number of the concepts into a new paragraph.
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<b>Determinations of consensus do not fit into a formula and the concept of what is a small minority will need to be determined on a case-by-case basis. Factors of determination may include the nature and seriousness of the objection, the scope of support
for the objection – whole stakeholder community(ies) or a subset of a or a number of communiites and the attemps that have been made to resolve those concerns/objections. While consensus of all stakeholder communities is the objective, it seems clear from
the NTIA requirements, that the objection of an operational community would significantly limit the ability of the ICG to submit an acceptable consensus proposal.
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Other issues include a clarification of subject matter decisions (we do make decisions as to sufficiency of subject matter to meet NTIA requirement or the lack of consensus on an issue, that is beyond assembling, what we don't do is redraft the proposal),
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<b>Sent:</b> 11 September 2014 21:34<br>
<b>To:</b> Martin Boyle<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Alissa Cooper; Coordination Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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