<div dir="ltr"><div>Alissa,</div><div>Once again I request to post the draft with new name final draft for conference call</div><div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2014-09-17 16:34 GMT+02:00 Manal Ismail <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" bgcolor="white" vlink="purple" link="blue"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thank you all for your replies, comments and clarification of the need for paragraph 4 referenced below .. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I would just like to note that:<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><u></u><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>-<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"> </span></span></span><u></u><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I have not edited the version shared by Alissa to be used on the call .. The final draft is already there untouched .. so I hope there is need for an editorially updated doc. with new reference called Draft for Conference call ..<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><u></u><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>-<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"> </span></span></span><u></u><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I have sent my remarks over email as wisely suggested by Alissa to avoid such confusion .. I thought this is going to be equally good, if not better, to sharing them over the call ..<u></u><u></u></span></p><p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><u></u><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><span>-<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"> </span></span></span><u></u><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I have already mentioned at the very beginning that I’m flexible to revert to the original text if so agreed .. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Looking forward to our call later today ..<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Kind Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">--Manal<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><b><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="color:windowtext;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> joseph alhadeff [mailto:<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> WUKnoben; Manal Ismail; Alissa Cooper; <a href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@icann.org</a><span><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus document - for discussion Sept 17<u></u><u></u></span></span></p></div></div><span><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">I am sympathetic to the concern raised by Kavous that we need a stable draft to consider on the call so that everyone will have had an opportunity to review.... there will be opportunities on the call to raise any residual concerns. can we at least suggest that at least 4 hours before the call a final draft for consideration will be posted so that we are all on the same page?<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 9/17/2014 6:59 AM, WUKnoben wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div></span><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><span><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">Thanks Manal,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:12pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">I’ve inserted my comments in red<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:12pt"><br>Best regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke;line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">Manal Ismail</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke;line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:34 PM<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke;line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">To:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <a title="alissa@cooperw.in" href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in" target="_blank">Alissa Cooper</a> ; <a title="joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph alhadeff</a> ; <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@icann.org</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke;line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus document - for discussion Sept 17<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:12pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></span><div><span><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Many thanks Alissa and all who have contributed to this document ..</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I'm sending my editorial remarks below following your suggestion .. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">It's worth noting that I'm flexible to revert to the original language wherever deemed more appropriate ..</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Page 1:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><u></u><span>-<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"> </span></span><u></u><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">4<sup>th</sup> paragraph under 2. : replace capital 'M' of 'ICG Members' with small 'm' for consistency</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><u></u><span>-<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"> </span></span><u></u><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I've tried the url at the footnote and it did not work (might be my problem but worth someone else checking) ..</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:red;font-size:12pt">you’re right re the footnote on page 1. The document can be found on </span><a title="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/respectful-communication.pdf" href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/respectful-communication.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="color:red;font-size:12pt">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/respectful-communication.pdf</span></a><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Page 2:</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><u></u><span>-<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"> </span></span><u></u><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">3<sup>rd</sup> paragraph under 3. : </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif";font-size:12pt">For cases <s>for which</s> </span><span style="color:red;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif";font-size:12pt">where</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif";font-size:12pt"> it has been previously agreed that a decision is to be made at a given meeting and one or more members are not <s>in a position to attend</s> </span><span style="color:red;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif";font-size:12pt">present at</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif";font-size:12pt"> that meeting, these members may provide their views to the ICG in advance in order that those views be considered at the scheduled meeting<s> for decision making</s>. Should the decision made not meet the <s>requirements </s></span><span style="color:red;font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif";font-size:12pt">views</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman , serif","serif";font-size:12pt"> of those absent, there should be another attempt to find a suitable compromise. Absent members<s> </s>should be invited to provide the ICG with a written statement of their concerns for inclusion in the report /conclusions of the ICG.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><u></u><span>-<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"> </span></span><u></u><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">4<sup>th</sup> paragraph under 3. : I suggest the deletion of this paragraph as, to me, it is completely redundant to paragraph 3 above .. if it was decided to remain, there's a missing full-stop at the end of the paragraph ..</span><u></u><u></u></p></span><p style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><u></u><span>-<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal"> </span></span><u></u><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:red">I’m not sure but think para 3 is related to absent members who may be opposed whereas para 4 refers to opposed members in general. Maybe Joe can assist...</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I do not dare to suggest any changes on the following pages </span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Wingdings">J</span><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)"> ..</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:red">be courageous if you are not convinced...</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hope you find the above straight forward non-substantial changes .. </span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Kind Regards</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">--Manal</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="border-width:1pt medium medium;border-style:solid none none;border-color:rgb(181,196,223) currentColor currentColor;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt"> <a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alissa Cooper<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 17, 2014 2:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> joseph alhadeff; <a href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus document - for discussion Sept 17</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:115%;font-size:10.5pt">All,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:115%;font-size:10.5pt">Attached and in Dropbox are the versions we will use on the call on Sept 17:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:115%;font-size:10.5pt">ICG Guidelines for the Decision Making-v12-MU-ALC-JA-ALC.docx</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:115%;font-size:10.5pt">ICG Guidelines for the Decision Making-v12-MU-ALC-JA-ALC-clean.docx</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:115%;font-size:10.5pt">All of the changes since v12-MU-ALC are editorial (mostly typo fixes and white space deletions), except one: on page 1, I added the text suggested by Joe about public comment periods. The editorial fixes include the suggestions made by Joe, Wolf-Ulrich, Kavouss, and Milton (off-list).</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:115%;font-size:10.5pt">If people spot further editorial issues prior to the call, please send them in email to the mailing list, rather than editing the document directly, and I will incorporate them prior to the call.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:115%;font-size:10.5pt">Thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:115%;font-size:10.5pt">Alissa</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="line-height:115%;font-size:10.5pt">On 9/16/14, 5:14 AM, "joseph alhadeff" <<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>> wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border-width:medium medium medium 4.5pt;border-style:none none none solid;border-color:currentColor currentColor currentColor rgb(181,196,223);margin:5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:12pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">Alissa, Colleagues:<br><br>The draft is acceptable as is - thanks for your work on editing... I have proposed a few non-substantive edits to improve understanding - for example use of public comment forum may be read not to include written comments, propose replacing forum with consultation, etc.<br><br>One possible addition might be a reaffirmation of our commitment to consultation which should be differentiated from our 7 day period for decisions... Possible language which could be added to making decisions could be:<br><br></span>ICG will make all reasonable efforts to enable member stakeholder communities to have appropriate time to consult with their members on issues on which the ICG will make substantive decisions. Where appropriate and practicable, public comment periods will also be provided<span style="font-size:10.5pt"> .<br><br>Joe</span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">On 9/16/2014 4:40 AM, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">I am at another meeting </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">I have read your edited text which seems to cover most or almost every points.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">Please let me to ck it again and come back to you </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">Kavouss </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">_______________________________________________ Internal-cg mailing list <a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Internal-cg@icann.org</a> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a> </span><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><div align="center" class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:12pt"><hr width="100%" size="2" align="center"></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:12pt">_______________________________________________<br>Internal-cg mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:normal;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";font-size:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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