<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>Thanks to Manal and the drafting team for working on this.</div><div><br></div><div>Couple of comments:</div><div><br></div><div>Q13: Since the community processes are in fairly early stages, I find it a bit strange to ask how they can improved. I think it would make more sense to ask “What is required for the community processes to succeed by the target deadline?” And then the answer could begin with the part of the first sentence that says “All interested and affected parties …”</div><div><br></div><div>Q14: I agree with Russ Housley here. I think the appropriate question here is "What is the relationship between the work of the ICG and the parallel process concerning ICANN accountability?” Developing an answer to that questions probably requires further discussion amongst the ICG members.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Alissa</div><br><div><div>On Sep 30, 2014, at 4:15 AM, Manal Ismail <<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Many thanks Martin .. I've noted your concern on Q9 1/2 and added the sentence you proposed to Q14's answer .. I have incorporated all comments, to my best, in the attached version and in Dropbox .. Hope this reflects accurately what has been suggested ..<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I'm not clear about the modifications you are suggesting for Q15 & Q16, so apologies for that ..<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I also recall that we, the drafting group, have agreed to share a clean version with ICG colleagues, so if you have comments pending from earlier drafting iterations appreciate adding them or letting me know ..<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">--Manal<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Martin Boyle [<a href="mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:Martin.Boyle@nominet.org.uk</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, September 30, 2014 12:41 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Manal Ismail<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Milton L Mueller;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">internal-cg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Internal-cg] ICG FAQ ..<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">I agree with Manal's concern on the final sentence of Q9 1/2. Better might be to look at the level of support for the position and the way the community proposal addresses the issue.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On Q14 is it worth adding after the first sentence that, "Operational communities have been asked to consider oversight and accountability in their proposals."<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">For Q15, Manal is right about running behind the moving train. But I now realise that the answer is very ICANN centric! In part this is corrected in the next question, but I would suggest that this question should look at the operational communities and those directly engaged with them (GAC, ALAC...), while the next question could then refer to addressing those who do not take part, but will be affected - the business community, ccTLDs that are not in ICANN etc<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><br>On 30 Sep 2014, at 10:48, "Manal Ismail" <<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Many thanks Milton ..</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Noted ..</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Further comments inline below ..</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Kind Regards</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">--Manal</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Milton L Mueller [<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:mueller@syr.edu</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, September 30, 2014 3:13 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Manal Ismail;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">internal-cg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>RE: ICG FAQ ..</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Manal et al</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Good start.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I would propose the following modifications.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Add a new question between #9 and #10, which I here label 9 ˝ :</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: justify;"><b>9 ˝ Can I submit my own proposal for how the IANA transition should take place?</b><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-align: justify;"> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">You can, but the ICG is not authorized to pick and choose among competing proposals. That would centralize the authority over the IANA transition in ICG’s hands, and the general preference is for a bottom up, consensual process. If you submit a proposal directly to the ICG without participating in the processes convened by the operational communities, all the ICG can do is forward that proposal to the relevant OCs. If you think your ideas have been ignored or not fairly treated in the OC proposal development process, you can express this view directly to the ICG or in the public comment period. But the ICG cannot give these objections any weight if the person made no effort to participate in the operational community-convened process.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">[MI]: Noted .. will add it to the new version that is to be circulated shortly .. Although, personally, I would be reluctant to leave the last sentence "</span>But the ICG cannot give these objections any weight if the person made no effort to participate in the operational community-convened process.<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">" .. I think it's a bit negative and I don't think it adds .. </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Question 14</b>, I found the answer not very meaningful. I would propose the following alternative language:<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">ICG is closely following<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/category/accountability" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">ICANN Accountability Process</a>. After receiving consensus proposals from the operational communities, ICG will conduct an analysis of their overall implications for ICANN accountability. If there are gaps or problems, ICG will check to see whether these gaps are filled by the results of the ICANN enhanced accountability process. If they are not, ICG will return the proposals to the relevant operational community(ies) for amendment.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">[MI]: Happy to replace with your proposed language .. Looking forward to other reactions as this is one of the few questions we did not discuss thoroughly and have no agreed position on ..</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>Question 15</b>, “How is ICG reaching out?” I would delete the language “ICG members<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><s>have participated in the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></s><a href="http://london50.icann.org/en/schedule/thu-iana-stewardship-transition" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><s>IANA stewardship transition session</s></a><s><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>held at the ICANN 50 meeting in London, and</s><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">If someone asks that question now they don’t care what we did 3-4 months ago. They want to know what we are doing now.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">[MI]: Noted .. although soon after, this will also become a past event.</span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><a name="_MailEndCompose"></a><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 1.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;"><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Manal Ismail<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, September 29, 2014 2:16 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">internal-cg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Internal-cg] ICG FAQ ..<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Dear All ..<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find attached, and in dropbox, a draft FAQ we (Martin, Patrik, Mohamed, Alissa & myself) have prepared to be discussed on the upcoming call ..<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">This is supposed to be a living document .. So the target is to come up with an initial agreed version rather than an exhaustive complete one ..<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Looking forward to receiving your feedback over email and/or during the call ..<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">--Manal<o:p></o:p></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">_______________________________________________<br>Internal-cg mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a><o:p></o:p></span></div></blockquote></div><span><ICG-FAQ-v1.doc></span>_______________________________________________<br>Internal-cg mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a></div></blockquote></div><br></body></html>