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Colleagues as I may not be able to make the call, I wanted to
provide some high level observations and minor proposed edits
(attached in redline in the document):<br>
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Roman";mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi">(1a 2<sup>nd</sup>
bullet)Whether input/comments the ICG received directly <span
style="color:
red">that</span> were shared with the operational community <span
style="color:red">were</span> <font color="#ff0000">considered</font>/addressed.</span></p>
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Roman";mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi">(Para 2)
According to the ICG Charter, its role is not to draft a single
transition
proposal, but rather to assemble a proposal from component
proposals.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>These
components are <span style="color:red">not</span>
expected to be <span style="color:red">uniform</span> </span><span
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
New Roman";
mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi">as they relate to the specific
IANA functions
which are of interest to each operational community.</span></p>
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mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New
Roman";mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi">(2a) Compatibility
and interoperability: Do the proposals work together in a single
unified
proposal? Do they suggest any arrangements that are not
compatible with each
other? Is the handling of all <a
style="mso-comment-reference:j_2;mso-comment-date:
20141209T1118">possibly conflicting overlaps</a></span><span
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times
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mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi"> between the functions resolved
in a workable
manner?</span></p>
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New Roman";mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi">(2b)
comment from previous round: </span><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
"Arial","sans-serif"">Do we add a cross
reference to overall accountability
work here: Proposal Do any of the changes proposed in the
relevant stream of
ICANN accountability work negatively impact any of the
operations com unity
accountability functions outlined in the unified proposal?</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:
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Roman";mso-bidi-theme-font:minor-bidi">(2c) I
think the RFP called for a description of appropriate testing,
therefore it
should be part of the submission.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>How
its described is not the issue, that its described and
sufficient is.</span></p>
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Question.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Do we have a
general comment
process for a proposal that is going through step 1, or just a
process who don’t
think their comments were taken on board.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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“essentially
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/8/2014 10:44 AM, Alissa Cooper
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All,
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<div>Please take a look at the proposal finalization process
document and the thread below. We really need to wrap this up,
hopefully on this week’s call or shortly thereafter.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Alissa<br>
<div><br>
<div>Begin forwarded message:</div>
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1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span
style="font-family:'Helvetica';">Alissa Cooper <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in">alissa@cooperw.in</a>><br>
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style="font-family:'Helvetica';"><b>Re: [Internal-cg]
Proposal finalization process v3</b><br>
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<div>Hi Paul,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I reviewed your proposed edits to v3 and my
comments are below. I’ve also uploaded and attached an
edited version that reflects my comments and includes
the finalization process steps provided by Kuo. <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.dropbox.com/home/CoordinationGroup/Proposal%20finalization%20process">https://www.dropbox.com/home/CoordinationGroup/Proposal%20finalization%20process</a>></div>
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<div>On Nov 9, 2014, at 4:58 PM, Paul Wilson <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pwilson@apnic.net">pwilson@apnic.net</a>>
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<blockquote type="cite">Hi all,<br>
<br>
I’ve proposed a bunch of edits to this document,
attached, and also in dropbox here:<br>
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href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/wvemyk00s5l86w9/proposal-finalization-process-v3-pw.docx?dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/s/wvemyk00s5l86w9/proposal-finalization-process-v3-pw.docx?dl=0</a><br>
<br>
<br>
Some of these changes reflect my understanding of
the timeline, as shown in the Excel file here:<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/07zp3xlgx2uvwcs/TimelineDiscussion-v7.docx?dl=0">https://www.dropbox.com/s/07zp3xlgx2uvwcs/TimelineDiscussion-v7.docx?dl=0</a><br>
<br>
In particular this timeline show the release of a
draft proposal in March, and a final proposal in
June; so I’ve added these extra steps to the
process.<br>
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</div>
<div>Agreed, good to have these other milestones in
there.</div>
<br>
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<br>
Also, please note I’ve proposed a few substantial
additional steps in this process:<br>
<br>
- A public call for comments on the community
proposal development processes (deadline 31 Jan
2015); this will allow us to formally gather
remaining concerns, or statements of support for the
processes which produced community proposals.<br>
</blockquote>
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</div>
<div>I have concerns about asking the communities to
duplicate efforts here. RFP Section VI already asks
the communities to document their processes, level
of consensus achieved, and areas of contention or
disagreement. We also made it explicit in the RFP
that if people felt that they could not provide
comments within those processes, they could send
them to the ICG forum <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/">http://forum.icann.org/lists/icg-forum/</a>>
and we’ve been passing those on to the communities.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The target deadline for RFP responses is 15
January, so I don’t think we want to ask people to
separately document similar information in a
parallel process that we run ourselves at the same
time when we’re expecting the communities to be
focusing on finishing their RFP responses. I also do
not think it’s appropriate for us to try to
circumvent the community processes — if the process
comments we receive after receiving the proposals
themselves and the statements made in the proposals
are inconsistent, it’s not clear what we would do
with that information.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My edits in the attached reflect this view — I’ve
re-combined into a single step 1 the ICG’s initial
reviews of both process and substance.</div>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
- A specific provision for ICG consultation with
communities and other stakeholders during assessment
of the first draft proposal.<br>
<br>
- Incorporating the ICANN meetings in February and
June 2015 into the process as opportunities for (in
Feb) communities to present their proposals to the
ICANN audience, and then (in June) ICG to present
the final transition proposal.<br>
<br>
- Presentation of the final proposal to the ICANN
board, during a meeting with them; rather than mere
“transmission” to them.<br>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would prefer if we not be overly prescriptive
about any of the above items, nor about the exact
structure or format of any text we might draft to
accompany the transition proposal. We have already
declared in the timeline our intention to consult
with everyone, so I don’t think we need to say it
again. Obviously we will be talking to people at
various ICANN meetings, but there will surely be
other venues where the proposal gets discussed (as
it should be), so I’d rather not single out any
particular meetings in this document. And I’m not
sure why we would need to specifically meet the
ICANN Board in order to send them the final
proposal, particularly in light the statement of
finalization steps that we now have from Kuo.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Looking forward to feedback from you and others.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Alissa</div>
<div><br>
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</div>
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I’ve highlighted these additions in yellow, to
distinguish them from other edits.<br>
<br>
(and these are open to discussion of course).<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Paul.<br>
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On 5 Nov 2014, at 4:11 am, Alissa Cooper <<a
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<blockquote type="cite">Attached and in Dropbox is
an updated version of the proposal finalization
process document. Joe did the heavy lifting to
incorporate edits based on our discussion in LA. I
have also incorporate the appropriate section of
Lynn’s text concerning the role of ICANN in the
submission process. However, I think the full list
of Lynn’s bullets belong in a separate statement
that is specifically about expectations concerning
ICANN/ICANN Board/NTIA participation during the
entire transition plan development process. I
think the attached document should remain focused
on proposal finalization, and ultimately the
content of section 4 should directly reflect the
appropriate portion of whatever final content
emerges from the thread that Lynn started.<br>
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Feedback is of course welcome, and there are a few
comments in the document from Joe and myself that
are worth discussion. I have attached a clean
copy; a redlined version is also available in
Dropbox.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Alissa<br>
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