<div dir="ltr"><div>Alissa,</div><div>I am volunteer to take care of accountabilty part of the transition function .</div><div>I would be happy to work with whoever is voluteering on that matter</div><div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-10 16:38 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div dir="ltr">A</div></font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-09 16:05 GMT+01:00 Milton L Mueller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">I will respond with the following disclosures:<br>
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I am on the ARIN Advisory Council and thus play a role in the numbers world, but other than urging the NRO to work through a global committee rather than regional ones, I have not followed or participated in the numbers (CRISP) work either at the regional or global level.<br>
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I hold Executive Committee position within the GNSO Noncommercial Stakeholders Group and am an active participant in the names CWG.<br>
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I followed the IANAPlan IETF fairly actively but on the whole was a marginal(ized) participant.<br>
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Using Patrik's useful template, I am:<br>
<span><br>
- Outsider for the numbers work<br>
</span> - Insider for the names work<br>
- Follower of and commentator on the protocols work<br>
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> -----Original Message-----<br>
><br>
> - Passive follower of the protocol work<br>
><br>
> - Outsider for the numbers work<br>
><br>
> - Insider regarding the names work<br>
><br>
> Patrik<br>
><br>
> On Jan 7, 2015, at 12:31 AM, Daniel Karrenberg<br>
> <<a href="mailto:daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net" target="_blank">daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > On 6.01.15 23:51 , Alissa Cooper wrote:<br>
> >> Hi all,<br>
> >><br>
> >> At some point late last year I believe we had a bit of group<br>
> >> discussion about how we will actually staff the process of assessing<br>
> >> the community proposals as they come in and any issues that may arise<br>
> >> from the fact that many of us are both serving on the ICG and have<br>
> >> been involved in the community processes. I thought it would be good<br>
> >> to confirm that we are generally in agreement about our approach to<br>
> >> ensuring that the ICG assessment is conducted in an independent and<br>
> >> unbiased fashion even though we all have our own community<br>
> >> affiliations and have been involved in the proposal development<br>
> >> processes to different extents. To my mind we have many safeguards in<br>
> place to help us out here:<br>
> >><br>
> >> (1) Multitude of proposal reviews<br>
> >> As we receive proposals from the communities, my expectation is that<br>
> >> we will have many ICG members willing to review them against our<br>
> >> assessment<br>
> >> criteria.* I think we should aim to have some reviewers for each<br>
> >> community proposal who are not affiliated with the community in<br>
> >> question and who did not participate in the proposal development<br>
> >> process for that community (as well as some who did). I imagine that<br>
> >> through mere solicitation of volunteers to review within our group we<br>
> >> will achieve this goal, but we should keep an eye out for it in any<br>
> >> event. I think this should help to provide a well-rounded assessment of<br>
> each proposal.<br>
> >><br>
> >> (2) Charter limitations<br>
> >> Since by our charter we will not be altering the substance of the<br>
> >> proposals, I think the danger of any individual ICG member trying to<br>
> >> alter the substance of the proposals through the assessment process<br>
> >> is quite limited.<br>
> >><br>
> >> (3) Transparent proposal development processes In my opinion the<br>
> >> proposal development processes and participation in them has been<br>
> >> quite transparent. I think it’s easy to find out which of us have<br>
> >> been participating in which processes and only a little harder to<br>
> >> figure out what we have been advocating for. Because of this, I think<br>
> >> it will be fairly clear if any ICG member tries to use the assessment<br>
> >> process to achieve some end that did not obtain community consensus.<br>
> >><br>
> >> (4) Operating by ICG consensus<br>
> >> As a group we decided long ago to operate on a consensus basis, and I<br>
> >> think this provides a further defense against any individual ICG<br>
> >> member trying to bend the assessment process to achieve his or her<br>
> >> own personal objectives.<br>
> >><br>
> >> From my perspective the set of safeguards above is plenty robust to<br>
> >> ensure that as a group we can conduct a largely objective assessment<br>
> >> of the proposals. I would appreciate thoughts about this from the<br>
> >> group. As the proposals start to come in I think it will boost the<br>
> communities’<br>
> >> confidence in us to have this articulated.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Thanks,<br>
> >> Alissa<br>
> >><br>
> >> *<br>
> >> <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-transition-assembly-" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-transition-assembly-</a><br>
> >> finalization-24dec14-en.pdf<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
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> ><br>
> ><br>
> > This makes sense to me.<br>
> ><br>
> > I suggest that before we start the reviews each of us sends a message to<br>
> this list describing their involvement, if any, in the development of proposals.<br>
> This way all that is on record and we avoid accusations of hidden interests or<br>
> actions.<br>
> ><br>
> > For myself I can state that I have had no involvement with the proposals of<br>
> the names and protocol parameters communities.<br>
> ><br>
> > As a member of the RIPE community I have participated in the public<br>
> discussion about the principles for the numbers proposal. As part of my job<br>
> at the RIPE NCC I have provided advice to management about the<br>
> development of the proposal. I have also worked actively within the RIR<br>
> communities to explain the process and the work of the ICG.<br>
> ><br>
> > Daniel<br>
><br>
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