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</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 0pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Dear all,</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">i have
followed and currently following all activities of CCWG and in fact one of the
main contributors for that . I am spending several hours in the e-mail
discussion and strongly defending the views of Governments.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">As I informed
you before, I am volunteered to closely work with those interested in the
accountability part of IANA transition related ICG activities.</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Regards</span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font><p style="background:white;margin:0cm 0cm 6.75pt;line-height:normal;vertical-align:middle"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:12pt">Kavouss <span> </span></span></p><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">
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</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-11 11:01 GMT+01:00 WUKnoben <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>I agree to the proposed process.</div>
<div> </div>I am a participant of the cross-community working group
developing a names proposal as well as the CCWG-ICANN Accountability.<br>No
participation in the number or protocol parameter process.<br>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Calibri";font-size:12pt">I’d like to
volunteer in the assessment of either numbers or protocol proposals <u>and</u>
of the names proposal.<br><br>Best regards<br><br>Wolf-Ulrich<br><br></div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="manal@tra.gov.eg" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">Manal Ismail</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 10, 2015 11:30 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">Kavouss Arasteh</a> ; <a title="mueller@syr.edu" href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">Milton L Mueller</a> </div><div><div class="h5">
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="internal-cg@icann.org" href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">ICG</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Thinking about the assessment
process</div></div></div></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I
know nothing about the Numbers work ..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Despite
joining the mailing list, I was not able to follow the Protocols work
..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I
follow closely the Names work and Accountability discussions and contribute
views through GAC discussions and other GAC representatives ..
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Kind
regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">--Manal
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-size:10pt">
<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Kavouss Arasteh<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 10, 2015 5:40
PM<br><b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller<br><b>Cc:</b> ICG<br><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Internal-cg] Thinking about the assessment process<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Alissa,<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am volunteer to take care of accountabilty part of the
transition function .<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would be happy to work with whoever is voluteering on that
matter<u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kavouss <u></u><u></u></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2015-01-10 16:38 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2015-01-09 16:05 GMT+01:00 Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I will respond with the following disclosures:<br><br>I am on
the ARIN Advisory Council and thus play a role in the numbers world, but other
than urging the NRO to work through a global committee rather than regional
ones, I have not followed or participated in the numbers (CRISP) work either at
the regional or global level.<br><br>I hold Executive Committee position within
the GNSO Noncommercial Stakeholders Group and am an active participant in the
names CWG.<br><br>I followed the IANAPlan IETF fairly actively but on the whole
was a marginal(ized) participant.<br><br>Using Patrik's useful template, I
am:<br><br>- Outsider for the numbers work<br>- Insider for the names work<br>-
Follower of and commentator on the protocols work<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>><br>> - Passive
follower of the protocol work<br>><br>> - Outsider for the numbers
work<br>><br>> - Insider regarding the names work<br>><br>>
Patrik<br>><br>> On Jan 7, 2015, at 12:31 AM, Daniel Karrenberg<br>>
<<a href="mailto:daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net" target="_blank">daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> > On
6.01.15 23:51 , Alissa Cooper wrote:<br>> >> Hi all,<br>>
>><br>> >> At some point late last year I believe we had a bit of
group<br>> >> discussion about how we will actually staff the process
of assessing<br>> >> the community proposals as they come in and any
issues that may arise<br>> >> from the fact that many of us are both
serving on the ICG and have<br>> >> been involved in the community
processes. I thought it would be good<br>> >> to confirm that we are
generally in agreement about our approach to<br>> >> ensuring that the
ICG assessment is conducted in an independent and<br>> >> unbiased
fashion even though we all have our own community<br>> >> affiliations
and have been involved in the proposal development<br>> >> processes to
different extents. To my mind we have many safeguards in<br>> place to help
us out here:<br>> >><br>> >> (1) Multitude of proposal
reviews<br>> >> As we receive proposals from the communities, my
expectation is that<br>> >> we will have many ICG members willing to
review them against our<br>> >> assessment<br>> >> criteria.*
I think we should aim to have some reviewers for each<br>> >> community
proposal who are not affiliated with the community in<br>> >> question
and who did not participate in the proposal development<br>> >> process
for that community (as well as some who did). I imagine that<br>> >>
through mere solicitation of volunteers to review within our group we<br>>
>> will achieve this goal, but we should keep an eye out for it in
any<br>> >> event. I think this should help to provide a well-rounded
assessment of<br>> each proposal.<br>> >><br>> >> (2)
Charter limitations<br>> >> Since by our charter we will not be
altering the substance of the<br>> >> proposals, I think the danger of
any individual ICG member trying to<br>> >> alter the substance of the
proposals through the assessment process<br>> >> is quite
limited.<br>> >><br>> >> (3) Transparent proposal development
processes In my opinion the<br>> >> proposal development processes and
participation in them has been<br>> >> quite transparent. I think it’s
easy to find out which of us have<br>> >> been participating in which
processes and only a little harder to<br>> >> figure out what we have
been advocating for. Because of this, I think<br>> >> it will be fairly
clear if any ICG member tries to use the assessment<br>> >> process to
achieve some end that did not obtain community consensus.<br>>
>><br>> >> (4) Operating by ICG consensus<br>> >> As a
group we decided long ago to operate on a consensus basis, and I<br>>
>> think this provides a further defense against any individual
ICG<br>> >> member trying to bend the assessment process to achieve his
or her<br>> >> own personal objectives.<br>> >><br>>
>> From my perspective the set of safeguards above is plenty robust
to<br>> >> ensure that as a group we can conduct a largely objective
assessment<br>> >> of the proposals. I would appreciate thoughts about
this from the<br>> >> group. As the proposals start to come in I think
it will boost the<br>> communities’<br>> >> confidence in us to have
this articulated.<br>> >><br>> >> Thanks,<br>> >>
Alissa<br>> >><br>> >> *<br>> >> <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-transition-assembly-" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-transition-assembly-</a><br>>
>> finalization-24dec14-en.pdf<br>> >><br>> >><br>>
>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>
Internal-cg mailing list<br>> >> <a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><br>> >> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a><br>>
>><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > This makes sense to me.<br>>
><br>> > I suggest that before we start the reviews each of us sends a
message to<br>> this list describing their involvement, if any, in the
development of proposals.<br>> This way all that is on record and we avoid
accusations of hidden interests or<br>> actions.<br>> ><br>> >
For myself I can state that I have had no involvement with the proposals
of<br>> the names and protocol parameters communities.<br>> ><br>>
> As a member of the RIPE community I have participated in the public<br>>
discussion about the principles for the numbers proposal. As part of my
job<br>> at the RIPE NCC I have provided advice to management about
the<br>> development of the proposal. I have also worked actively within the
RIR<br>> communities to explain the process and the work of the ICG.<br>>
><br>> > Daniel<br>><br>>
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