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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I know nothing about the Numbers work ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Despite joining the mailing list, I was not able to follow the Protocols work ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I follow closely the Names work and Accountability discussions and contribute views through GAC discussions and other GAC representatives .. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--Manal <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kavouss Arasteh<br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 10, 2015 5:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller<br><b>Cc:</b> ICG<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Thinking about the assessment process<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Alissa,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am volunteer to take care of accountabilty part of the transition function .<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would be happy to work with whoever is voluteering on that matter<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Kavouss <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2015-01-10 16:38 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#888888'>A<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2015-01-09 16:05 GMT+01:00 Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I will respond with the following disclosures:<br><br>I am on the ARIN Advisory Council and thus play a role in the numbers world, but other than urging the NRO to work through a global committee rather than regional ones, I have not followed or participated in the numbers (CRISP) work either at the regional or global level.<br><br>I hold Executive Committee position within the GNSO Noncommercial Stakeholders Group and am an active participant in the names CWG.<br><br>I followed the IANAPlan IETF fairly actively but on the whole was a marginal(ized) participant.<br><br>Using Patrik's useful template, I am:<br><br> - Outsider for the numbers work<br> - Insider for the names work<br> - Follower of and commentator on the protocols work<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>><br>> - Passive follower of the protocol work<br>><br>> - Outsider for the numbers work<br>><br>> - Insider regarding the names work<br>><br>> Patrik<br>><br>> On Jan 7, 2015, at 12:31 AM, Daniel Karrenberg<br>> <<a href="mailto:daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net" target="_blank">daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net</a>> wrote:<br>><br>> > On 6.01.15 23:51 , Alissa Cooper wrote:<br>> >> Hi all,<br>> >><br>> >> At some point late last year I believe we had a bit of group<br>> >> discussion about how we will actually staff the process of assessing<br>> >> the community proposals as they come in and any issues that may arise<br>> >> from the fact that many of us are both serving on the ICG and have<br>> >> been involved in the community processes. I thought it would be good<br>> >> to confirm that we are generally in agreement about our approach to<br>> >> ensuring that the ICG assessment is conducted in an independent and<br>> >> unbiased fashion even though we all have our own community<br>> >> affiliations and have been involved in the proposal development<br>> >> processes to different extents. To my mind we have many safeguards in<br>> place to help us out here:<br>> >><br>> >> (1) Multitude of proposal reviews<br>> >> As we receive proposals from the communities, my expectation is that<br>> >> we will have many ICG members willing to review them against our<br>> >> assessment<br>> >> criteria.* I think we should aim to have some reviewers for each<br>> >> community proposal who are not affiliated with the community in<br>> >> question and who did not participate in the proposal development<br>> >> process for that community (as well as some who did). I imagine that<br>> >> through mere solicitation of volunteers to review within our group we<br>> >> will achieve this goal, but we should keep an eye out for it in any<br>> >> event. I think this should help to provide a well-rounded assessment of<br>> each proposal.<br>> >><br>> >> (2) Charter limitations<br>> >> Since by our charter we will not be altering the substance of the<br>> >> proposals, I think the danger of any individual ICG member trying to<br>> >> alter the substance of the proposals through the assessment process<br>> >> is quite limited.<br>> >><br>> >> (3) Transparent proposal development processes In my opinion the<br>> >> proposal development processes and participation in them has been<br>> >> quite transparent. I think it’s easy to find out which of us have<br>> >> been participating in which processes and only a little harder to<br>> >> figure out what we have been advocating for. Because of this, I think<br>> >> it will be fairly clear if any ICG member tries to use the assessment<br>> >> process to achieve some end that did not obtain community consensus.<br>> >><br>> >> (4) Operating by ICG consensus<br>> >> As a group we decided long ago to operate on a consensus basis, and I<br>> >> think this provides a further defense against any individual ICG<br>> >> member trying to bend the assessment process to achieve his or her<br>> >> own personal objectives.<br>> >><br>> >> From my perspective the set of safeguards above is plenty robust to<br>> >> ensure that as a group we can conduct a largely objective assessment<br>> >> of the proposals. I would appreciate thoughts about this from the<br>> >> group. As the proposals start to come in I think it will boost the<br>> communities’<br>> >> confidence in us to have this articulated.<br>> >><br>> >> Thanks,<br>> >> Alissa<br>> >><br>> >> *<br>> >> <a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-transition-assembly-" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-transition-assembly-</a><br>> >> finalization-24dec14-en.pdf<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> Internal-cg mailing list<br>> >> <a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><br>> >> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a><br>> >><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > This makes sense to me.<br>> ><br>> > I suggest that before we start the reviews each of us sends a message to<br>> this list describing their involvement, if any, in the development of proposals.<br>> This way all that is on record and we avoid accusations of hidden interests or<br>> actions.<br>> ><br>> > For myself I can state that I have had no involvement with the proposals of<br>> the names and protocol parameters communities.<br>> ><br>> > As a member of the RIPE community I have participated in the public<br>> discussion about the principles for the numbers proposal. As part of my job<br>> at the RIPE NCC I have provided advice to management about the<br>> development of the proposal. I have also worked actively within the RIR<br>> communities to explain the process and the work of the ICG.<br>> ><br>> > Daniel<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Internal-cg mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><br>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Internal-cg mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><br>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a><br>_______________________________________________<br>Internal-cg mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>