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<DIV>I agree to the proposed process.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>I am a participant of the cross-community working group
developing a names proposal as well as the CCWG-ICANN Accountability.<BR>No
participation in the number or protocol parameter process.<BR>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">I’d like to
volunteer in the assessment of either numbers or protocol proposals <U>and</U>
of the names proposal.<BR><BR>Best regards<BR><BR>Wolf-Ulrich<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=manal@tra.gov.eg
href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg">Manal Ismail</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2015 11:30 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com
href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">Kavouss Arasteh</A> ; <A
title=mueller@syr.edu href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">Milton L Mueller</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=internal-cg@icann.org
href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org">ICG</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Internal-cg] Thinking about the assessment
process</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>I
know nothing about the Numbers work ..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Despite
joining the mailing list, I was not able to follow the Protocols work
..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>I
follow closely the Names work and Accountability discussions and contribute
views through GAC discussions and other GAC representatives ..
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style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>Kind
regards<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #1f497d'>--Manal
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internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Kavouss Arasteh<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 10, 2015 5:40
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Milton L Mueller<BR><B>Cc:</B> ICG<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Internal-cg] Thinking about the assessment process<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Alissa,<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I am volunteer to take care of accountabilty part of the
transition function .<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I would be happy to work with whoever is voluteering on that
matter<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Kavouss <o:p></o:p></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>2015-01-10 16:38 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <<A
href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
target=_blank>kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</A>>:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>2015-01-09 16:05 GMT+01:00 Milton L Mueller <<A
href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu"
target=_blank>mueller@syr.edu</A>>:<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal>I will respond with the following disclosures:<BR><BR>I am on
the ARIN Advisory Council and thus play a role in the numbers world, but other
than urging the NRO to work through a global committee rather than regional
ones, I have not followed or participated in the numbers (CRISP) work either at
the regional or global level.<BR><BR>I hold Executive Committee position within
the GNSO Noncommercial Stakeholders Group and am an active participant in the
names CWG.<BR><BR>I followed the IANAPlan IETF fairly actively but on the whole
was a marginal(ized) participant.<BR><BR>Using Patrik's useful template, I
am:<BR><BR>- Outsider for the numbers work<BR>- Insider for the names work<BR>-
Follower of and commentator on the protocols work<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>><BR>> - Passive
follower of the protocol work<BR>><BR>> - Outsider for the numbers
work<BR>><BR>> - Insider regarding the names work<BR>><BR>>
Patrik<BR>><BR>> On Jan 7, 2015, at 12:31 AM, Daniel Karrenberg<BR>>
<<A href="mailto:daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net"
target=_blank>daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>> > On
6.01.15 23:51 , Alissa Cooper wrote:<BR>> >> Hi all,<BR>>
>><BR>> >> At some point late last year I believe we had a bit of
group<BR>> >> discussion about how we will actually staff the process
of assessing<BR>> >> the community proposals as they come in and any
issues that may arise<BR>> >> from the fact that many of us are both
serving on the ICG and have<BR>> >> been involved in the community
processes. I thought it would be good<BR>> >> to confirm that we are
generally in agreement about our approach to<BR>> >> ensuring that the
ICG assessment is conducted in an independent and<BR>> >> unbiased
fashion even though we all have our own community<BR>> >> affiliations
and have been involved in the proposal development<BR>> >> processes to
different extents. To my mind we have many safeguards in<BR>> place to help
us out here:<BR>> >><BR>> >> (1) Multitude of proposal
reviews<BR>> >> As we receive proposals from the communities, my
expectation is that<BR>> >> we will have many ICG members willing to
review them against our<BR>> >> assessment<BR>> >> criteria.*
I think we should aim to have some reviewers for each<BR>> >> community
proposal who are not affiliated with the community in<BR>> >> question
and who did not participate in the proposal development<BR>> >> process
for that community (as well as some who did). I imagine that<BR>> >>
through mere solicitation of volunteers to review within our group we<BR>>
>> will achieve this goal, but we should keep an eye out for it in
any<BR>> >> event. I think this should help to provide a well-rounded
assessment of<BR>> each proposal.<BR>> >><BR>> >> (2)
Charter limitations<BR>> >> Since by our charter we will not be
altering the substance of the<BR>> >> proposals, I think the danger of
any individual ICG member trying to<BR>> >> alter the substance of the
proposals through the assessment process<BR>> >> is quite
limited.<BR>> >><BR>> >> (3) Transparent proposal development
processes In my opinion the<BR>> >> proposal development processes and
participation in them has been<BR>> >> quite transparent. I think it’s
easy to find out which of us have<BR>> >> been participating in which
processes and only a little harder to<BR>> >> figure out what we have
been advocating for. Because of this, I think<BR>> >> it will be fairly
clear if any ICG member tries to use the assessment<BR>> >> process to
achieve some end that did not obtain community consensus.<BR>>
>><BR>> >> (4) Operating by ICG consensus<BR>> >> As a
group we decided long ago to operate on a consensus basis, and I<BR>>
>> think this provides a further defense against any individual
ICG<BR>> >> member trying to bend the assessment process to achieve his
or her<BR>> >> own personal objectives.<BR>> >><BR>>
>> From my perspective the set of safeguards above is plenty robust
to<BR>> >> ensure that as a group we can conduct a largely objective
assessment<BR>> >> of the proposals. I would appreciate thoughts about
this from the<BR>> >> group. As the proposals start to come in I think
it will boost the<BR>> communities’<BR>> >> confidence in us to have
this articulated.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Thanks,<BR>> >>
Alissa<BR>> >><BR>> >> *<BR>> >> <A
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-transition-assembly-"
target=_blank>https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-transition-assembly-</A><BR>>
>> finalization-24dec14-en.pdf<BR>> >><BR>> >><BR>>
>> _______________________________________________<BR>> >>
Internal-cg mailing list<BR>> >> <A href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org"
target=_blank>Internal-cg@icann.org</A><BR>> >> <A
href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg"
target=_blank>https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</A><BR>>
>><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> > This makes sense to me.<BR>>
><BR>> > I suggest that before we start the reviews each of us sends a
message to<BR>> this list describing their involvement, if any, in the
development of proposals.<BR>> This way all that is on record and we avoid
accusations of hidden interests or<BR>> actions.<BR>> ><BR>> >
For myself I can state that I have had no involvement with the proposals
of<BR>> the names and protocol parameters communities.<BR>> ><BR>>
> As a member of the RIPE community I have participated in the public<BR>>
discussion about the principles for the numbers proposal. As part of my
job<BR>> at the RIPE NCC I have provided advice to management about
the<BR>> development of the proposal. I have also worked actively within the
RIR<BR>> communities to explain the process and the work of the ICG.<BR>>
><BR>> > Daniel<BR>><BR>>
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