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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fair enough ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Many thanks Martin ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--Manal<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Boyle<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 13, 2015 7:47 PM<br><b>To:</b> Kavouss Arasteh; joseph alhadeff<br><b>Cc:</b> Coordination Group<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Interpretation of 'Consensus' ..<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think we are talking about two quite distinct things – the development of consensus proposals for the different functions where the communities are pulling together their own open processes; and our own process where the big concern was how, in a small group from quite different backgrounds we avoid a particular “community” or interest group being ignored.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As someone who was in one side of the discussion, I can certainly agree with Kavouss – extensive deliberations and, I think, a good balance and shared understanding at the end.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>But equally, I do understand the approach in the CCWG-Accountability and think it makes sense for them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Martin <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kavouss Arasteh<br><b>Sent:</b> 13 January 2015 14:06<br><b>To:</b> joseph alhadeff<br><b>Cc:</b> Coordination Group<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Interpretation of 'Consensus' ..<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Dear Manal<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Thank you for yr message.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Do you suggest we( ICG) harmonize ourselves with their ( CCWG ) .<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Since our document was agreed after very extensive deliberations<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I do not support that we make any changes in ICH to our position.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I have already referred to ICG consensus building yesterday but the CCWG did not react <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I leave it as it is .<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Kavouss <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>2015-01-13 14:59 GMT+01:00 joseph alhadeff <<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I think we need to catalog how each community determines consensus as part of a transparent process and assure that they have met the requirements that their community has accepted, but I don't think it's up to us to impose any concept of uniformity on what consensus is for their process. We do however need to understand what we mean by consensus for the assembled draft; which I believe has been discussed extensively on this list.<br><br>Joe<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>On 1/13/2015 8:14 AM, Manal Ismail wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear All ..</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I'm following the CCWG-Accountability</span><span lang=EN-GB> </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>mailing list, as an observer, and have noticed a discussion on 'Consensus' .. The following is an excerpt from one of the emails: </span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>"The Chair(s) shall be responsible for designating each position as having one of the following designations:</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>a) Full Consensus - a position where no minority disagrees; identified by an absence of objection</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>b) Consensus – a position where </span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#C00000'>a small minority disagrees</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>, but most agree"</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>whereas our consensus building document states:</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>"the chair will be responsible for designating each ICG position as having one of the following designations:</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Recommendation by consensus </span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>- when <span style='color:#C00000'>no one in the group speaks against</span> the recommendation in its last readings.</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Recommendation </span></b><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>- a position where consensus could not be reached after the matter is sufficiently debated and after the chair and two vice chairs together with interested parties have made their utmost efforts to find a satisfactory solution for the matter in order to achieve consensus. Those who still object to the recommendation should be invited to document their objections for the final report."</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Would such inconsistency cause confusion within the community or is it ok <span style='color:black'>to have different interpretations </span>in different though related contexts?</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kind Regards</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>--Manal</span><span lang=EN-GB><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><pre><span lang=EN-GB>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-GB>Internal-cg mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-GB><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span lang=EN-GB><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-GB><br>_______________________________________________<br>Internal-cg mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>