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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the quick responses ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just to clarify that I was not trying to suggest changing our document nor imposing uniformity on other processes ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I just thought the difference is worth noting, worth considering and worth being clarified to the community if need arise .. Maybe the question at the end of my email was not the best way to express this </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Mr. Arasteh, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Apologies for sending my below email before reading your email to the Accountability mailing list ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--Manal <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kavouss Arasteh<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 13, 2015 4:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> joseph alhadeff<br><b>Cc:</b> Coordination Group<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Interpretation of 'Consensus' ..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Manal<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you for yr message.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Do you suggest we( ICG) harmonize ourselves with their ( CCWG ) .<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Since our document was agreed after very extensive deliberations<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I do not support that we make any changes in ICH to our position.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have already referred to ICG consensus building yesterday but the CCWG did not react <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I leave it as it is .<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Kavouss <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>2015-01-13 14:59 GMT+01:00 joseph alhadeff <<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think we need to catalog how each community determines consensus as part of a transparent process and assure that they have met the requirements that their community has accepted, but I don't think it's up to us to impose any concept of uniformity on what consensus is for their process. We do however need to understand what we mean by consensus for the assembled draft; which I believe has been discussed extensively on this list.<br><br>Joe<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 1/13/2015 8:14 AM, Manal Ismail wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear All ..</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I'm following the CCWG-Accountability</span> <span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>mailing list, as an observer, and have noticed a discussion on 'Consensus' .. The following is an excerpt from one of the emails: </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>"The Chair(s) shall be responsible for designating each position as having one of the following designations:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>a) Full Consensus - a position where no minority disagrees; identified by an absence of objection</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>b) Consensus – a position where </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#C00000'>a small minority disagrees</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>, but most agree"</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>whereas our consensus building document states:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>"the chair will be responsible for designating each ICG position as having one of the following designations:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Recommendation by consensus </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>- when <span style='color:#C00000'>no one in the group speaks against</span> the recommendation in its last readings.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Symbol'>·</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Recommendation </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>- a position where consensus could not be reached after the matter is sufficiently debated and after the chair and two vice chairs together with interested parties have made their utmost efforts to find a satisfactory solution for the matter in order to achieve consensus. Those who still object to the recommendation should be invited to document their objections for the final report."</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Would such inconsistency cause confusion within the community or is it ok <span style='color:black'>to have different interpretations </span>in different though related contexts?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kind Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>--Manal</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Internal-cg mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a><o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Internal-cg mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>