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<DIV>I agree here. It’s up to the communities to define how they understand to
achieve consensus. We can check against their own criteria only.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000">If I’m
correct the CWG and the CCWG use the same definitions.<BR><BR>Best
regards<BR><BR>Wolf-Ulrich<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com
href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com">joseph alhadeff</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:25 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=jbladel@godaddy.com
href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">James M. Bladel</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=internal-cg@icann.org
href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org">internal-cg@icann.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Internal-cg] Interpretation of 'Consensus'
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style='FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; DISPLAY: inline'>No,
I am suggesting that if a community determines that consensus in their
community is reached in a certain way and they provide no information
related to reaching that consensus, that would be a basis for asking them to
provide the information to make the application complete. Only the
community can determine what is a community consensus and if it was
reached. <BR>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On 1/13/2015 1:55 PM, James M. Bladel
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Joe and others:</DIV>
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<DIV>I guess Im unclear: if we "catalog" how the various communities
determined that they had reached consensus, does that mean we could make the
determination that their proposal failed to do so? If so, then
what?<BR><BR>Just want to be clear, as I see this particular approach as
problematic. It would be much cleaner to acknowledge that the
communities achieved consensus by their own definition, and note this in our
report without endorsement or reservation.<BR><BR>Thanks,
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<DIV>J.</DIV>
<DIV>____________</DIV>
<DIV>James Bladel</DIV>
<DIV>GoDaddy</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On Jan 13, 2015, at 06:00, joseph alhadeff <<A
href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>I think we need to catalog how each community determines consensus as
part of a transparent process and assure that they have met the requirements
that their community has accepted, but I don't think it's up to us to impose
any concept of uniformity on what consensus is for their process. We
do however need to understand what we mean by consensus for the assembled
draft; which I believe has been discussed extensively on this
list.<BR><BR>Joe<BR>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On 1/13/2015 8:14 AM, Manal Ismail
wrote:<BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Dear
All ..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>I'm
following the CCWG-Accountability</SPAN> <SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>mailing
list, as an observer, and have noticed a discussion on 'Consensus' .. The
following is an excerpt from one of the emails:
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>"The
Chair(s) shall be responsible for designating each position as having one
of the following designations:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>a)
Full Consensus - a position where no minority disagrees; identified by an
absence of objection<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>b)
Consensus – a position where </SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #c00000'>a
small minority disagrees</SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>,
but most agree"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>whereas our
consensus building document states:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-AUTOSPACE: "><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>"the chair
will be responsible for designating each ICG position as having one of the
following designations:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><!--[endif]--><SPAN dir=ltr></SPAN><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>Recommendation
by consensus </SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>- when <SPAN
style="COLOR: #c00000">no one in the group speaks against</SPAN> the
recommendation in its last readings.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="TEXT-AUTOSPACE: ; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if
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</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><!--[endif]--><SPAN dir=ltr></SPAN><B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>Recommendation
</SPAN></B><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>- a position
where consensus could not be reached after the matter is sufficiently
debated and after the chair and two vice chairs together with interested
parties have made their utmost efforts to find a satisfactory solution for
the matter in order to achieve consensus. Those who still object to the
recommendation should be invited to document their objections for the
final report."<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-AUTOSPACE: "><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-AUTOSPACE: "><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>Would such
inconsistency cause confusion within the community or is it ok
</SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>to
have different interpretations </SPAN><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>in different
though related contexts?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-AUTOSPACE: "><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-AUTOSPACE: "><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kind
Regards<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-AUTOSPACE: "><SPAN
style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>--Manal<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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