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<div>Ok thanks for clarifying. I support this.&nbsp;<br>
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On Jan 13, 2015, at 13:25, joseph alhadeff &lt;<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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<div>No, I am suggesting that if a community determines that consensus in their community&nbsp; is reached in a certain way and they provide no information related to reaching that consensus, that would be a basis for asking them to provide the information to make
 the application complete.&nbsp; Only the community can determine what is a community consensus and if it was reached.&nbsp;
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/13/2015 1:55 PM, James M. Bladel wrote:<br>
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<div>Joe and others:</div>
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<div>I guess Im unclear: &nbsp;if we &quot;catalog&quot; how the various communities determined that they had reached consensus, does that mean we could make the determination that their proposal failed to do so? &nbsp;If so, then what?<br>
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Just want to be clear, as I see this particular approach as problematic. &nbsp;It would be much cleaner to acknowledge that the communities achieved consensus by their own definition, and note this in our report without endorsement or reservation.<br>
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On Jan 13, 2015, at 06:00, joseph alhadeff &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
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<div>I think we need to catalog how each community determines consensus as part of a transparent process and assure that they have met the requirements that their community has accepted, but I don't think it's up to us to impose any concept of uniformity on
 what consensus is for their process.&nbsp; We do however need to understand what we mean by consensus for the assembled draft; which I believe has been discussed extensively on this list.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/13/2015 8:14 AM, Manal Ismail wrote:<br>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">mailing list, as an observer, and have noticed a discussion on 'Consensus' .. The following is an excerpt from one of the emails: &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">&quot;The Chair(s) shall be responsible for designating each position as having one of the following designations:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">a)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Full Consensus - a position where no minority disagrees; identified by an absence of objection<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">b)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Consensus &#8211; a position where
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#C00000">a small minority disagrees</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">whereas our consensus building document states:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">&quot;the chair will be responsible for designating each ICG position as having one of the following designations:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="color:#C00000">no one in the group speaks against</span> the recommendation in its last readings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">- a position where consensus could not be reached after the matter is sufficiently debated and after the chair and two vice chairs together with interested parties have made their
 utmost efforts to find a satisfactory solution for the matter in order to achieve consensus. Those who still object to the recommendation should be invited to document their objections for the final report.&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Would such inconsistency cause confusion within the community or is it ok
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