<div dir="ltr"><div>Dear Manal</div><div>Thank you for yr message.</div><div>Do you suggest we( ICG) harmonize ourselves with their ( CCWG ) .</div><div>Since our document was agreed after very extensive deliberations</div><div>I do not support that we make any changes in ICH to our position.</div><div>I have already referred to ICG consensus building yesterday but the CCWG did not react </div><div>I leave it as it is .</div><div>Kavouss </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-13 14:59 GMT+01:00 joseph alhadeff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I think we need to catalog how each community determines consensus
as part of a transparent process and assure that they have met the
requirements that their community has accepted, but I don't think
it's up to us to impose any concept of uniformity on what consensus
is for their process. We do however need to understand what we mean
by consensus for the assembled draft; which I believe has been
discussed extensively on this list.<br>
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Joe<div><div class="h5"><br>
<div>On 1/13/2015 8:14 AM, Manal Ismail
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Dear
All ..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I'm
following the CCWG-Accountability</span> <span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">mailing
list,
as an observer, and have noticed a discussion on 'Consensus'
.. The
following is an excerpt from one of the emails: </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">"The
Chair(s) shall be responsible for designating each
position as having one of the following designations:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">a)
Full Consensus - a position where
no minority disagrees; identified by an absence of objection<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">b)
Consensus – a position
where </span><span style="color:rgb(192,0,0);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">a
small minority disagrees</span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">,
but most agree"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">whereas
our
consensus building document states:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">"the
chair will be responsible for
designating each ICG position as having one of the following
designations:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style><span style="font-family:Symbol;font-size:11pt"><span>·<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></span></span><span dir="LTR"></span><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Recommendation
by consensus </span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">-
when <span style="color:rgb(192,0,0)">no one in the group speaks
against</span> the recommendation
in its last readings.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style><span style="font-family:Symbol;font-size:11pt"><span>·<span style="font:7pt/normal "Times New Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">
</span></span></span><span dir="LTR"></span><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Recommendation
</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">-
a position where
consensus could not be reached after the matter is
sufficiently debated and
after the chair and two vice chairs together with interested
parties have made
their utmost efforts to find a satisfactory solution for the
matter in order to
achieve consensus. Those who still object to the
recommendation should be
invited to document their objections for the final report."<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Would
such inconsistency cause confusion
within the community or is it ok </span><span style="color:black;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">to
have different interpretations
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">in
different
though related contexts?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Kind
Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">--Manal<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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