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No, I am suggesting that if a community determines that consensus in
their community is reached in a certain way and they provide no
information related to reaching that consensus, that would be a
basis for asking them to provide the information to make the
application complete. Only the community can determine what is a
community consensus and if it was reached. <br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/13/2015 1:55 PM, James M. Bladel
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<div>Joe and others:</div>
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<div>I guess Im unclear: if we "catalog" how the various
communities determined that they had reached consensus, does
that mean we could make the determination that their proposal
failed to do so? If so, then what?<br>
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Just want to be clear, as I see this particular approach as
problematic. It would be much cleaner to acknowledge that the
communities achieved consensus by their own definition, and note
this in our report without endorsement or reservation.<br>
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Thanks,
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On Jan 13, 2015, at 06:00, joseph alhadeff <<a
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<div>I think we need to catalog how each community determines
consensus as part of a transparent process and assure that
they have met the requirements that their community has
accepted, but I don't think it's up to us to impose any
concept of uniformity on what consensus is for their process.
We do however need to understand what we mean by consensus for
the assembled draft; which I believe has been discussed
extensively on this list.<br>
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Joe<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/13/2015 8:14 AM, Manal
Ismail wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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following the CCWG-Accountability</span>
<span
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list, as an observer, and have noticed a discussion on
'Consensus' .. The following is an excerpt from one of
the emails: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">"The
Chair(s) shall be responsible for designating each
position as having one of the following designations:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">a)
Full Consensus - a position where no minority
disagrees; identified by an absence of objection<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">b)
Consensus – a position where
</span><span
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small minority disagrees</span><span
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but most agree"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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our consensus building document states:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;
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chair will be responsible for designating each ICG
position as having one of the following designations:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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by consensus
</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-
when
<span style="color:#C00000">no one in the group speaks
against</span> the recommendation in its last
readings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span
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a position where consensus could not be reached after
the matter is sufficiently debated and after the chair
and two vice chairs together with interested parties
have made their utmost efforts to find a satisfactory
solution for the matter in order to achieve consensus.
Those who still object to the recommendation should be
invited to document their objections for the final
report."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;
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such inconsistency cause confusion within the
community or is it ok
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
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have different interpretations
</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">in
different though related contexts?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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