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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I think we are talking about two quite distinct things – the development of consensus proposals for the different functions where the communities are pulling
together their own open processes; and our own process where the big concern was how, in a small group from quite different backgrounds we avoid a particular “community” or interest group being ignored.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As someone who was in one side of the discussion, I can certainly agree with Kavouss – extensive deliberations and, I think, a good balance and shared understanding
at the end.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But equally, I do understand the approach in the CCWG-Accountability and think it makes sense for them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Martin
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> internal-cg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kavouss Arasteh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 13 January 2015 14:06<br>
<b>To:</b> joseph alhadeff<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Coordination Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Interpretation of 'Consensus' ..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Manal<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for yr message.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do you suggest we( ICG) harmonize ourselves with their ( CCWG ) .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Since our document was agreed after very extensive deliberations<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I do not support that we make any changes in ICH to our position.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have already referred to ICG consensus building yesterday but the CCWG did not react
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<p class="MsoNormal">I leave it as it is .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kavouss <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2015-01-13 14:59 GMT+01:00 joseph alhadeff <<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think we need to catalog how each community determines consensus as part of a transparent process and assure that they have met the requirements that their community has accepted, but I don't think it's up to us to impose any concept
of uniformity on what consensus is for their process. We do however need to understand what we mean by consensus for the assembled draft; which I believe has been discussed extensively on this list.<br>
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Joe<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1/13/2015 8:14 AM, Manal Ismail wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Dear All ..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I'm following the CCWG-Accountability</span>
<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">mailing list, as an observer, and have noticed a discussion on 'Consensus' .. The following is an excerpt from one of the emails: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">"The Chair(s) shall be responsible for designating each position as having one of the following designations:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">a) Full Consensus - a position where no minority disagrees; identified by an absence of objection</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">b) Consensus – a position where
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#C00000">a small minority disagrees</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">, but most agree"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">whereas our consensus building document states:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">"the chair will be responsible for designating each ICG position as having one of the following designations:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Recommendation by consensus
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">- when
<span style="color:#C00000">no one in the group speaks against</span> the recommendation in its last readings.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Recommendation
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">- a position where consensus could not be reached after the matter is sufficiently debated and after the chair and two vice chairs together with interested parties have made their
utmost efforts to find a satisfactory solution for the matter in order to achieve consensus. Those who still object to the recommendation should be invited to document their objections for the final report."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Would such inconsistency cause confusion within the community or is it ok
<span style="color:black">to have different interpretations </span>in different though related contexts?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Kind Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">--Manal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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