<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: start; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Dear all, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: start; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: start; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">I’ll go along with Alissa on this one and to respond to Daniel’s suggestion:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: start; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: start; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><span lang="EN-US">I have been involved in the cross-community working group developing a names proposal as a liaison for the ICG, also following the number and protocol parameter processes, but </span><span lang="EN-US">no </span><span lang="EN-US">actual </span><span lang="EN-US">participation</span><span lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US">in the</span><span lang="EN-US"> creation of the proposal</span><span lang="EN-US"> at all</span><span lang="EN-US">. </span><span lang="EN-US">I’d like to volunteer in the assessment </span><span lang="EN-US">of the</span><span lang="EN-US"> proposal</span><span lang="EN-US">.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: start; margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;"><br></p><br><div>Best Regards,</div>--<div>Dr. Xiaodong Lee</div><div><br></div></div><div><br>在 2015年1月9日，03:46，Alissa Cooper <<a href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in">alissa@cooperw.in</a>> 写道：<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Good suggestion, Daniel.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I was an active commenter/reviewer of the protocol parameters response from the IETF, and I sit on the steering group that approved it for publication. </span><br><span></span><br><span>I have not been involved with the creation of the response from the numbering community beyond reading publicly available documents.</span><br><span></span><br><span>I am listed as a participant in the names community CWG. My involvement has been limited to reading the mailing list, providing an occasional opinion here and there, and occasionally joining the calls.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Alissa </span><br><span></span><br><span>On Jan 7, 2015, at 12:31 AM, Daniel Karrenberg <<a href="mailto:daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net">daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net</a>> wrote:</span><br><span></span><br><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 6.01.15 23:51 , Alissa Cooper wrote:</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Hi all,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>At some point late last year I believe we had a bit of group discussion</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>about how we will actually staff the process of assessing the community</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>proposals as they come in and any issues that may arise from the fact</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>that many of us are both serving on the ICG and have been involved in</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the community processes. I thought it would be good to confirm that we</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>are generally in agreement about our approach to ensuring that the ICG</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>assessment is conducted in an independent and unbiased fashion even</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>though we all have our own community affiliations and have been involved</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>in the proposal development processes to different extents. To my mind</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>we have many safeguards in place to help us out here:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>(1) Multitude of proposal reviews</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>As we receive proposals from the communities, my expectation is that we</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>will have many ICG members willing to review them against our assessment</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>criteria.* I think we should aim to have some reviewers for each</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>community proposal who are not affiliated with the community in question</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>and who did not participate in the proposal development process for that</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>community (as well as some who did). I imagine that through mere</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>solicitation of volunteers to review within our group we will achieve</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>this goal, but we should keep an eye out for it in any event. I think</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>this should help to provide a well-rounded assessment of each proposal.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>(2) Charter limitations</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Since by our charter we will not be altering the substance of the</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>proposals, I think the danger of any individual ICG member trying to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>alter the substance of the proposals through the assessment process is</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>quite limited.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>(3) Transparent proposal development processes</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>In my opinion the proposal development processes and participation in</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>them has been quite transparent. I think it’s easy to find out which of</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>us have been participating in which processes and only a little harder</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>to figure out what we have been advocating for. Because of this, I think</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>it will be fairly clear if any ICG member tries to use the assessment</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>process to achieve some end that did not obtain community consensus.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>(4) Operating by ICG consensus</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>As a group we decided long ago to operate on a consensus basis, and I</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>think this provides a further defense against any individual ICG member</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>trying to bend the assessment process to achieve his or her own personal</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>objectives.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>From my perspective the set of safeguards above is plenty robust to</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>ensure that as a group we can conduct a largely objective assessment of</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the proposals. I would appreciate thoughts about this from the group. As</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>the proposals start to come in I think it will boost the communities’</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>confidence in us to have this articulated.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Thanks,</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Alissa</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>*</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-transition-assembly-finalization-24dec14-en.pdf">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-transition-assembly-finalization-24dec14-en.pdf</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>_______________________________________________</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Internal-cg mailing list</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org">Internal-cg@icann.org</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>This makes sense to me.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>I suggest that before we start the reviews each of us sends a message to this list describing their involvement, if any, in the development of proposals. This way all that is on record and we avoid accusations of hidden interests or actions.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>For myself I can state that I have had no involvement with the proposals of the names and protocol parameters communities.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>As a member of the RIPE community I have participated in the public discussion about the principles for the numbers proposal. As part of my job at the RIPE NCC I have provided advice to management about the development of the proposal. I have also worked actively within the RIR communities to explain the process and the work of the ICG.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>Daniel</span><br></blockquote><span></span><br><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>Internal-cg mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org">Internal-cg@icann.org</a></span><br><span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>