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    Kavouss<br>
    <br>
    Thanks for your observations. I think the letter from Alissa will
    help address some of that pressure related to the interim timeline. 
    There is time left to consider the implications to overall timeline
    later in the process and NTIA has indicated that there is
    flexibility if time is needed to have a meaningful deliverable that
    meets the requirements, which includes the need for broad
    consensus.  Business, through ICC-BASIS statements, has previously
    highlighted the importance of the quality, consensus and workability
    of the solution as the paramount objectives to ensure the continued
    security, operational functionality and efficiency of the Internet.<br>
    <br>
    I apologize for failing to timely respond to your very kind new
    years wishes earlier in the year, and wish to you also a happy new
    year.<br>
    <br>
    Joe<br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/15/2015 12:19 PM, Kavouss Arasteh
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CACNR4-JoP2Z93yntp8uHqvFUxanmOmb4=HxfGpPdy_Evq0zEMw@mail.gmail.com"
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        <div>Joe</div>
        <div>Happy New Year</div>
        <div>Please read those comments complaining that </div>
        <div>There overlapping between CCGG and CWG</div>
        <div>There is insufficient time allowing the community to
          comments for these sequential changes</div>
        <div>There is vides that some sort of unnecessary pressure is
          put on the process from .....</div>
        <div>There are views that the approach was changed several time
          and the process was delayed for months and now at the end we
          push and push </div>
        <div>We must feel and be conscious of our responsibilities</div>
        <div>However, I Agree with the compromise</div>
        <div>Kavouss as you proposed </div>
        <div><br>
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        <div> </div>
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      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-15 18:12 GMT+01:00 joseph
          alhadeff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Kavouss:<br>
              <br>
              The community has developed its own consultation process,
              perhaps more than one according to Milton's post.  While
              the time frame you reference seems reasonable, and is
              established in ICANN, it is for the community to determine
              what it needs.  Alissa's e-mail as phrased does nothing to
              preclude them from using the time frame you suggest.   <br>
              <br>
              While I don't think its needed, but in the name of
              compromise, if we added: "which should include appropriate
              time for consultation within the community" at  the end of
              the sentence now ending with "completion date", would that
              address your concern?<br>
              <br>
              Joe
              <div>
                <div class="h5"><br>
                  <div>On 1/15/2015 11:57 AM, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:<br>
                  </div>
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                    <div dir="ltr">
                      <div>Alissa,</div>
                      <div>We are not dictating .We refer to the
                        standard procedure in ICANN the comments you
                        referred to are limited to the initial draft
                        dated 01 December 2014.</div>
                      <div>There are many comments in the website
                        indicating that sufficient commenting time was
                        not provided. Suppose that they finish by date X
                        and just leave 7 days for comments ( you did the
                        same thing for ICG Charter proving only 7 days
                        for comment  which was not sufficient ) .</div>
                      <div>What is the problem to indicate that </div>
                      <div>You may put it as follows</div>
                      <div>At the end pls add.</div>
                      <div>View were expressed and at what I have
                        proposed.</div>
                      <div>We must respect those strong position
                        indicating that UNNECESSARY PRESSURE IS  put on
                        the process to wind it up prematurely</div>
                      <div>Regards</div>
                      <div>Kavouss </div>
                    </div>
                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                      <div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-15 17:55
                        GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                            <div>Alissa,</div>
                            <div>We are not dictating .We refer to the
                              standard procedure in ICANN the comments
                              you referred to are limited to the initial
                              draft dated 01 December 2014.</div>
                            <div>There are many comments in the website
                              indicating that sufficient commenting time
                              was not provided. Suppose that they finish
                              by date X and just leave 7 days for
                              comments ( you did the same thing for ICG
                              Charter proving only 7 days for comment 
                              which was not sufficient ) .</div>
                            <div>What is the problem to indicate that </div>
                            <div>You may put it as follows</div>
                            <div>At the end pls add.</div>
                            <div>View were expressed a</div>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                <div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-15
                                  17:36 GMT+01:00 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben@t-online.de"
                                      target="_blank">Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben@t-online.de</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                                      <div>Thanks Alissa,</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>I agree</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>Wolf-Ulrich <br>
                                        <br>
                                        Sent from my personal phone</div>
                                      <div><br>
                                        Am 15.01.2015 um 16:58 schrieb
                                        Alissa Cooper &lt;<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in"
                                          target="_blank">alissa@cooperw.in</a>&gt;:<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
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                                            <div>
                                              <div>Hi all,</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>I’ve taken a crack at
                                                revised text below that
                                                tries to incorporate
                                                suggestions made on the
                                                list, with some editing.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>I will note that the
                                                message never contained
                                                the term “conditional
                                                accountability” and so
                                                there is no need to
                                                either remove it or
                                                define it. I think we
                                                should keep this note at
                                                a high level — we want
                                                to know what the CWG’s
                                                expected time line is so
                                                that we can plan our own
                                                work and coordinate it
                                                with the rest of the
                                                transition planning work
                                                accordingly. I also do
                                                not think it is
                                                appropriate for us to
                                                dictate to the group
                                                whether or how they
                                                solicit public comments,
                                                the length of public
                                                comment periods, or any
                                                other further
                                                requirements around
                                                coordination or
                                                accountability that were
                                                not included in the RFP.
                                                The RFP explains what
                                                our expectations are
                                                already and it’s up to
                                                the CWG to decide how to
                                                meet them.</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>Alissa </div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>------</div>
                                              <div><br>
                                              </div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>Dear CWG,</div>
                                                <div> </div>
                                                <div>The ICG has been
                                                  following the
                                                  developments in all of
                                                  the operational
                                                  communities, including
                                                  the naming community.
                                                  We have noted some
                                                  discussions about the
                                                  possibility that the
                                                  CWG might require
                                                  additional time to
                                                  complete its response
                                                  to the ICG RFP beyond
                                                  its original planned
                                                  submission date of
                                                  January 30, 2015. In
                                                  this regard, the ICG
                                                  would appreciate
                                                  receiving the CWG's
                                                  estimated revised
                                                  completion date.
                                                  Please communicate
                                                  this to the ICG as
                                                  soon as possible but
                                                  not later than 31
                                                  January 2015. It would
                                                  also be helpful for
                                                  you to indicate what
                                                  you expect the CWG’s
                                                  major challenges to be
                                                  to complete your work
                                                  in a timely fashion
                                                  and whether ICG
                                                  coordination can be of
                                                  assistance. </div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>We appreciate the
                                                  CWG’s continued
                                                  diligence in working
                                                  towards target
                                                  completion dates and
                                                  we expect to stay in
                                                  close contact
                                                  concerning the group’s
                                                  progress until its
                                                  work is complete.</div>
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>Thanks,</div>
                                                <div>Alissa Cooper on
                                                  behalf of the ICG</div>
                                              </div>
                                              <br>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>On Jan 15, 2015, at
                                                  5:34 AM, Alissa Cooper
                                                  &lt;<a
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in" target="_blank">alissa@cooperw.in</a>&gt;

                                                  wrote:</div>
                                                <br>
                                                <blockquote type="cite">
                                                  <div><br>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      <div>Begin
                                                        forwarded
                                                        message:</div>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <blockquote
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                                                        <div
                                                          style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>From: </b></span><span
                                                          style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;">Kavouss

                                                          Arasteh &lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                        <div
                                                          style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>Subject: </b></span><span
                                                          style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;"><b>Re:

                                                          [Internal-cg]
                                                          Note to CWG re
                                                          timeline?</b><br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                        <div
                                                          style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>Date: </b></span><span
                                                          style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;">January

                                                          15, 2015 at
                                                          2:50:12 AM PST<br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                        <div
                                                          style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>To: </b></span><span
                                                          style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;">WUKnoben

                                                          &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>&gt;,

                                                          Thomas Rickert
                                                          &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de" target="_blank">rickert@anwaelte.de</a>&gt;,

                                                          Mathieu Weill
                                                          &lt;<a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>&gt;<br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                        <div
                                                          style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>Cc: </b></span><span
                                                          style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;">Alissa

                                                          Cooper &lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in" target="_blank">alissa@cooperw.in</a>&gt;<br>
                                                          </span></div>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div>Dear All,</div>
                                                          <div>I suggest
                                                          the following
                                                          to be added </div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>1 in the
                                                          parts proposed
                                                          by Alissa</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>"We have
                                                          noted some
                                                          discussions
                                                          about the
                                                          possibility
                                                          that the CWG
                                                          might require
                                                          additional
                                                          time to
                                                          complete its
                                                          response to
                                                          the ICG RFP
                                                          beyond its
                                                          original
                                                          planned
                                                          submission
                                                          date of
                                                          January 30,
                                                          2015. In this
                                                          regard , ICG
                                                          would
                                                          appreciate
                                                          receiving the
                                                          estimated
                                                          additional
                                                          time required
                                                          enabling CWG
                                                          to complete
                                                          its tasks. It
                                                          is understood
                                                          that that such
                                                          an additional
                                                          time should
                                                          envisage 
                                                          including
                                                          sufficient
                                                          commenting
                                                          period from
                                                          the community
                                                          ( minimum
                                                          traditional
                                                          ICANN
                                                          Commenting
                                                          period  of 21
                                                          days ) .The
                                                          above-mentioned
                                                          overall 
                                                          additional
                                                          time required
                                                          for CWG  to
                                                          complete its
                                                          works  should
                                                          be formally
                                                          communicated
                                                          to ICG as soon
                                                          as possible
                                                          but not later
                                                          than 31
                                                          January 2015 .</div>
                                                          <div>It is
                                                          understood
                                                          that the
                                                          accountability
                                                          issue relating
                                                          to the
                                                          activities of
                                                          CWG falling
                                                          under Work
                                                          Stream 1 of
                                                          CCWG needs to
                                                          be fully
                                                          coordinated
                                                          with CCWG
                                                          before being
                                                          submitted to
                                                          ICG at the new
                                                          /updated
                                                          deadline .</div>
                                                          <div><font
                                                          color="#ff0000">You

                                                          may also
                                                          indicate</font><font
color="#ff0000"> the CWG’s major challenges leading to the revision and
                                                          whether</font><font
color="#ff0000"> the ICG is deemed to coordinate here.</font></div>
                                                          <div><font
                                                          color="#ff0000">I
                                                          do not really
                                                          understand the
                                                          meaning of
                                                          this added
                                                          sentence by
                                                          Wolf</font></div>
                                                          <div><font
                                                          color="#ff0000">Kavouss

                                                          </font></div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">2015-01-15

                                                          11:27
                                                          GMT+01:00
                                                          WUKnoben <span
                                                          dir="ltr">&lt;<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de"
                                                          target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                                          <div
                                                          style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:12pt">
                                                          <div>Thanks
                                                          Alissa,</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>a note
                                                          would be
                                                          helpful.</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>With
                                                          regards to the
                                                          text I suggest
                                                          asking the CWG
                                                          also - in case
                                                          of time
                                                          revision -
                                                          what are the
                                                          major
                                                          challenges
                                                          they encounter
                                                          (e.g.
                                                          coordination
                                                          with
                                                          CCWG-accountability).</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>I've
                                                          tried to
                                                          insert it in
                                                          your draft
                                                          (see below).
                                                          Please feel
                                                          free to
                                                          polish.</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Thanks</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Wolf-Ulrich

                                                          </div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>-----Ursprüngliche

                                                          Nachricht-----
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>From:
                                                          Alissa Cooper
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Sent:
                                                          Wednesday,
                                                          January 14,
                                                          2015 11:21 PM
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>To: ICG </div>
                                                          <div>Subject:
                                                          [Internal-cg]
                                                          Note to CWG re
                                                          timeline? </div>
                                                          <span>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Wolf-Ulrich

                                                          suggested on
                                                          the call today
                                                          that we send a
                                                          note to the
                                                          CWG to obtain
                                                          more
                                                          information
                                                          about their
                                                          expected
                                                          timeline if it
                                                          does indeed
                                                          slip. I’m
                                                          happy to send
                                                          such a note if
                                                          people agree.
                                                          I’ve drafted
                                                          something up
                                                          below.</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>What do
                                                          others think?
                                                          Should we send
                                                          a note? What
                                                          do you think
                                                          of the text
                                                          below?</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Alissa</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>----</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Dear CWG,</div>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>The ICG
                                                          has been
                                                          following the
                                                          developments
                                                          in all of the
                                                          operational
                                                          communities,
                                                          including the
                                                          naming
                                                          community. We
                                                          have noted
                                                          some
                                                          discussions
                                                          about the
                                                          possibility
                                                          that the CWG
                                                          might require
                                                          additional
                                                          time to
                                                          complete its
                                                          response to
                                                          the ICG RFP
                                                          beyond its
                                                          original
                                                          planned
                                                          submission
                                                          date of
                                                          January 30,
                                                          2015. We would
                                                          ask that if
                                                          you decide to
                                                          revise your
                                                          estimated
                                                          completion
                                                          date that you
                                                          share with the
                                                          ICG your
                                                          revised
                                                          expected
                                                          timeline.</div>
                                                          </span>
                                                          <div><font
                                                          color="#ff0000">You

                                                          may also
                                                          indicate</font><font
color="#ff0000"> the CWG’s major challenges leading to the revision and
                                                          whether</font><font
color="#ff0000"> the ICG is deemed to coordinate here.</font></div>
                                                          <span>
                                                          <div> </div>
                                                          <div>Thank
                                                          you,</div>
                                                          <div>Alissa
                                                          Cooper on
                                                          behalf of the
                                                          ICG</div>
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