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Kavouss<br>
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Thanks for your observations. I think the letter from Alissa will
help address some of that pressure related to the interim timeline.
There is time left to consider the implications to overall timeline
later in the process and NTIA has indicated that there is
flexibility if time is needed to have a meaningful deliverable that
meets the requirements, which includes the need for broad
consensus. Business, through ICC-BASIS statements, has previously
highlighted the importance of the quality, consensus and workability
of the solution as the paramount objectives to ensure the continued
security, operational functionality and efficiency of the Internet.<br>
<br>
I apologize for failing to timely respond to your very kind new
years wishes earlier in the year, and wish to you also a happy new
year.<br>
<br>
Joe<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/15/2015 12:19 PM, Kavouss Arasteh
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<div>Joe</div>
<div>Happy New Year</div>
<div>Please read those comments complaining that </div>
<div>There overlapping between CCGG and CWG</div>
<div>There is insufficient time allowing the community to
comments for these sequential changes</div>
<div>There is vides that some sort of unnecessary pressure is
put on the process from .....</div>
<div>There are views that the approach was changed several time
and the process was delayed for months and now at the end we
push and push </div>
<div>We must feel and be conscious of our responsibilities</div>
<div>However, I Agree with the compromise</div>
<div>Kavouss as you proposed </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-15 18:12 GMT+01:00 joseph
alhadeff <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Kavouss:<br>
<br>
The community has developed its own consultation process,
perhaps more than one according to Milton's post. While
the time frame you reference seems reasonable, and is
established in ICANN, it is for the community to determine
what it needs. Alissa's e-mail as phrased does nothing to
preclude them from using the time frame you suggest. <br>
<br>
While I don't think its needed, but in the name of
compromise, if we added: "which should include appropriate
time for consultation within the community" at the end of
the sentence now ending with "completion date", would that
address your concern?<br>
<br>
Joe
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<div>On 1/15/2015 11:57 AM, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:<br>
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<div>Alissa,</div>
<div>We are not dictating .We refer to the
standard procedure in ICANN the comments you
referred to are limited to the initial draft
dated 01 December 2014.</div>
<div>There are many comments in the website
indicating that sufficient commenting time was
not provided. Suppose that they finish by date X
and just leave 7 days for comments ( you did the
same thing for ICG Charter proving only 7 days
for comment which was not sufficient ) .</div>
<div>What is the problem to indicate that </div>
<div>You may put it as follows</div>
<div>At the end pls add.</div>
<div>View were expressed and at what I have
proposed.</div>
<div>We must respect those strong position
indicating that UNNECESSARY PRESSURE IS put on
the process to wind it up prematurely</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>Kavouss </div>
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<div>Alissa,</div>
<div>We are not dictating .We refer to the
standard procedure in ICANN the comments
you referred to are limited to the initial
draft dated 01 December 2014.</div>
<div>There are many comments in the website
indicating that sufficient commenting time
was not provided. Suppose that they finish
by date X and just leave 7 days for
comments ( you did the same thing for ICG
Charter proving only 7 days for comment
which was not sufficient ) .</div>
<div>What is the problem to indicate that </div>
<div>You may put it as follows</div>
<div>At the end pls add.</div>
<div>View were expressed a</div>
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17:36 GMT+01:00 <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Thanks Alissa,</div>
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<div>I agree</div>
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<div>Wolf-Ulrich <br>
<br>
Sent from my personal phone</div>
<div><br>
Am 15.01.2015 um 16:58 schrieb
Alissa Cooper <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in"
target="_blank">alissa@cooperw.in</a>>:<br>
<br>
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<div>
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<div>
<div>Hi all,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I’ve taken a crack at
revised text below that
tries to incorporate
suggestions made on the
list, with some editing.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I will note that the
message never contained
the term “conditional
accountability” and so
there is no need to
either remove it or
define it. I think we
should keep this note at
a high level — we want
to know what the CWG’s
expected time line is so
that we can plan our own
work and coordinate it
with the rest of the
transition planning work
accordingly. I also do
not think it is
appropriate for us to
dictate to the group
whether or how they
solicit public comments,
the length of public
comment periods, or any
other further
requirements around
coordination or
accountability that were
not included in the RFP.
The RFP explains what
our expectations are
already and it’s up to
the CWG to decide how to
meet them.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Alissa </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>------</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Dear CWG,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The ICG has been
following the
developments in all of
the operational
communities, including
the naming community.
We have noted some
discussions about the
possibility that the
CWG might require
additional time to
complete its response
to the ICG RFP beyond
its original planned
submission date of
January 30, 2015. In
this regard, the ICG
would appreciate
receiving the CWG's
estimated revised
completion date.
Please communicate
this to the ICG as
soon as possible but
not later than 31
January 2015. It would
also be helpful for
you to indicate what
you expect the CWG’s
major challenges to be
to complete your work
in a timely fashion
and whether ICG
coordination can be of
assistance. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We appreciate the
CWG’s continued
diligence in working
towards target
completion dates and
we expect to stay in
close contact
concerning the group’s
progress until its
work is complete.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Alissa Cooper on
behalf of the ICG</div>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<div>On Jan 15, 2015, at
5:34 AM, Alissa Cooper
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in" target="_blank">alissa@cooperw.in</a>>
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<div>Begin
forwarded
message:</div>
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style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>From: </b></span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica"">Kavouss
Arasteh <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<div
style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>Subject: </b></span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica""><b>Re:
[Internal-cg]
Note to CWG re
timeline?</b><br>
</span></div>
<div
style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>Date: </b></span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica"">January
15, 2015 at
2:50:12 AM PST<br>
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style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>To: </b></span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica"">WUKnoben
<<a
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href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>>,
Thomas Rickert
<<a
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href="mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de" target="_blank">rickert@anwaelte.de</a>>,
Mathieu Weill
<<a
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href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>><br>
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<div
style="margin:0px"><span
style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>Cc: </b></span><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica"">Alissa
Cooper <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in" target="_blank">alissa@cooperw.in</a>><br>
</span></div>
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<div>Dear All,</div>
<div>I suggest
the following
to be added </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1 in the
parts proposed
by Alissa</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"We have
noted some
discussions
about the
possibility
that the CWG
might require
additional
time to
complete its
response to
the ICG RFP
beyond its
original
planned
submission
date of
January 30,
2015. In this
regard , ICG
would
appreciate
receiving the
estimated
additional
time required
enabling CWG
to complete
its tasks. It
is understood
that that such
an additional
time should
envisage
including
sufficient
commenting
period from
the community
( minimum
traditional
ICANN
Commenting
period of 21
days ) .The
above-mentioned
overall
additional
time required
for CWG to
complete its
works should
be formally
communicated
to ICG as soon
as possible
but not later
than 31
January 2015 .</div>
<div>It is
understood
that the
accountability
issue relating
to the
activities of
CWG falling
under Work
Stream 1 of
CCWG needs to
be fully
coordinated
with CCWG
before being
submitted to
ICG at the new
/updated
deadline .</div>
<div><font
color="#ff0000">You
may also
indicate</font><font
color="#ff0000"> the CWG’s major challenges leading to the revision and
whether</font><font
color="#ff0000"> the ICG is deemed to coordinate here.</font></div>
<div><font
color="#ff0000">I
do not really
understand the
meaning of
this added
sentence by
Wolf</font></div>
<div><font
color="#ff0000">Kavouss
</font></div>
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WUKnoben <span
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<div>Thanks
Alissa,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>a note
would be
helpful.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>With
regards to the
text I suggest
asking the CWG
also - in case
of time
revision -
what are the
major
challenges
they encounter
(e.g.
coordination
with
CCWG-accountability).</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I've
tried to
insert it in
your draft
(see below).
Please feel
free to
polish.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Wolf-Ulrich
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>-----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht-----
</div>
<div>From:
Alissa Cooper
</div>
<div>Sent:
Wednesday,
January 14,
2015 11:21 PM
</div>
<div>To: ICG </div>
<div>Subject:
[Internal-cg]
Note to CWG re
timeline? </div>
<span>
<div> </div>
<div>Wolf-Ulrich
suggested on
the call today
that we send a
note to the
CWG to obtain
more
information
about their
expected
timeline if it
does indeed
slip. I’m
happy to send
such a note if
people agree.
I’ve drafted
something up
below.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>What do
others think?
Should we send
a note? What
do you think
of the text
below?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Alissa</div>
<div> </div>
<div>----</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Dear CWG,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The ICG
has been
following the
developments
in all of the
operational
communities,
including the
naming
community. We
have noted
some
discussions
about the
possibility
that the CWG
might require
additional
time to
complete its
response to
the ICG RFP
beyond its
original
planned
submission
date of
January 30,
2015. We would
ask that if
you decide to
revise your
estimated
completion
date that you
share with the
ICG your
revised
expected
timeline.</div>
</span>
<div><font
color="#ff0000">You
may also
indicate</font><font
color="#ff0000"> the CWG’s major challenges leading to the revision and
whether</font><font
color="#ff0000"> the ICG is deemed to coordinate here.</font></div>
<span>
<div> </div>
<div>Thank
you,</div>
<div>Alissa
Cooper on
behalf of the
ICG</div>
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