<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><div>I will send the note below by 22:00 UTC today.</div><div><br></div><div>---</div><div><br></div><div>Dear CWG,</div><div> </div><div>The ICG has been following the developments in all of the operational communities, including the naming community. We have noted some discussions about the possibility that the CWG might require additional time to complete its response to the ICG RFP beyond its original planned submission date of January 30, 2015. In this regard, the ICG would appreciate receiving the CWG's estimated revised completion date, taking into account <span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">appropriate time for community consultation</span>. Please communicate this to the ICG as soon as possible but not later than 31 January 2015. It would also be helpful for you to indicate what you expect the CWG’s major challenges to be to complete your work in a timely fashion and whether ICG coordination can be of assistance. </div><div><br></div><div>We appreciate the CWG’s continued diligence in working towards target completion dates and we expect to stay in close contact concerning the group’s progress until its work is complete.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Alissa Cooper on behalf of the ICG</div></div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Jan 15, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div>Joe</div><div>Happy New Year</div><div>Please read those comments complaining that </div><div>There overlapping between CCGG and CWG</div><div>There is insufficient time allowing the community to comments for these sequential changes</div><div>There is vides that some sort of unnecessary pressure is put on the process from .....</div><div>There are views that the approach was changed several time and the process was delayed for months and now at the end we push and push </div><div>We must feel and be conscious of our responsibilities</div><div>However, I Agree with the compromise</div><div>Kavouss as you proposed </div><div><br></div><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-15 18:12 GMT+01:00 joseph alhadeff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Kavouss:<br>
<br>
The community has developed its own consultation process, perhaps
more than one according to Milton's post. While the time frame you
reference seems reasonable, and is established in ICANN, it is for
the community to determine what it needs. Alissa's e-mail as
phrased does nothing to preclude them from using the time frame you
suggest. <br>
<br>
While I don't think its needed, but in the name of compromise, if we
added: "which should include appropriate time for consultation
within the community" at the end of the sentence now ending with
"completion date", would that address your concern?<br>
<br>
Joe<div><div class="h5"><br>
<div>On 1/15/2015 11:57 AM, Kavouss Arasteh
wrote:<br>
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<div>Alissa,</div>
<div>We are not dictating .We refer to the standard procedure in
ICANN the comments you referred to are limited to the initial
draft dated 01 December 2014.</div>
<div>There are many comments in the website indicating that
sufficient commenting time was not provided. Suppose that they
finish by date X and just leave 7 days for comments ( you did
the same thing for ICG Charter proving only 7 days for
comment which was not sufficient ) .</div>
<div>What is the problem to indicate that </div>
<div>You may put it as follows</div>
<div>At the end pls add.</div>
<div>View were expressed and at what I have proposed.</div>
<div>We must respect those strong position indicating that
UNNECESSARY PRESSURE IS put on the process to wind it up
prematurely</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>Kavouss </div>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-15 17:55 GMT+01:00 Kavouss
Arasteh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Alissa,</div>
<div>We are not dictating .We refer to the standard
procedure in ICANN the comments you referred to are
limited to the initial draft dated 01 December 2014.</div>
<div>There are many comments in the website indicating
that sufficient commenting time was not provided.
Suppose that they finish by date X and just leave 7 days
for comments ( you did the same thing for ICG Charter
proving only 7 days for comment which was not
sufficient ) .</div>
<div>What is the problem to indicate that </div>
<div>You may put it as follows</div>
<div>At the end pls add.</div>
<div>View were expressed a</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-15 17:36 GMT+01:00 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben@t-online.de</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Thanks Alissa,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I agree</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Wolf-Ulrich <br>
<br>
Sent from my personal phone</div>
<div><br>
Am 15.01.2015 um 16:58 schrieb Alissa Cooper
<<a href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in" target="_blank">alissa@cooperw.in</a>>:<br>
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<div>
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<div>
<div>Hi all,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I’ve taken a crack at revised text
below that tries to incorporate
suggestions made on the list, with
some editing.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I will note that the message never
contained the term “conditional
accountability” and so there is no
need to either remove it or define it.
I think we should keep this note at a
high level — we want to know what the
CWG’s expected time line is so that we
can plan our own work and coordinate
it with the rest of the transition
planning work accordingly. I also do
not think it is appropriate for us to
dictate to the group whether or how
they solicit public comments, the
length of public comment periods, or
any other further requirements around
coordination or accountability that
were not included in the RFP. The RFP
explains what our expectations are
already and it’s up to the CWG to
decide how to meet them.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Alissa </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>------</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>Dear CWG,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The ICG has been following the
developments in all of the
operational communities, including
the naming community. We have noted
some discussions about the
possibility that the CWG might
require additional time to complete
its response to the ICG RFP beyond
its original planned submission date
of January 30, 2015. In this regard,
the ICG would appreciate receiving
the CWG's estimated revised
completion date. Please communicate
this to the ICG as soon as possible
but not later than 31 January 2015.
It would also be helpful for you to
indicate what you expect the CWG’s
major challenges to be to complete
your work in a timely fashion and
whether ICG coordination can be of
assistance. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We appreciate the CWG’s continued
diligence in working towards target
completion dates and we expect to
stay in close contact concerning the
group’s progress until its work is
complete.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Alissa Cooper on behalf of the
ICG</div>
</div>
<br>
<div>
<div>On Jan 15, 2015, at 5:34 AM,
Alissa Cooper <<a href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in" target="_blank">alissa@cooperw.in</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div><br>
<div>Begin forwarded message:</div>
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<div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica"">Kavouss
Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica""><b>Re:
[Internal-cg] Note to
CWG re timeline?</b><br>
</span></div>
<div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica"">January
15, 2015 at 2:50:12 AM PST<br>
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<div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica"">WUKnoben
<<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>>,
Thomas Rickert <<a href="mailto:rickert@anwaelte.de" target="_blank">rickert@anwaelte.de</a>>,
Mathieu Weill <<a href="mailto:Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr" target="_blank">Mathieu.Weill@afnic.fr</a>><br>
</span></div>
<div style="margin:0px"><span style="font-family:Helvetica"><b>Cc: </b></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica"">Alissa
Cooper <<a href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in" target="_blank">alissa@cooperw.in</a>><br>
</span></div>
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<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>Dear All,</div>
<div>I suggest the
following to be added </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1 in the parts
proposed by Alissa</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>"We have noted some
discussions about the
possibility that the CWG
might require additional
time to complete its
response to the ICG RFP
beyond its original
planned submission date
of January 30, 2015. In
this regard , ICG would
appreciate receiving the
estimated additional
time required enabling
CWG to complete its
tasks. It is understood
that that such an
additional time should
envisage including
sufficient commenting
period from the
community ( minimum
traditional ICANN
Commenting period of 21
days ) .The
above-mentioned overall
additional time required
for CWG to complete its
works should be
formally communicated to
ICG as soon as possible
but not later than 31
January 2015 .</div>
<div>It is understood that
the accountability issue
relating to the
activities of CWG
falling under Work
Stream 1 of CCWG needs
to be fully coordinated
with CCWG before being
submitted to ICG at the
new /updated deadline .</div>
<div><font color="#ff0000">You
may also indicate</font><font color="#ff0000"> the
CWG’s major challenges
leading to the
revision and whether</font><font color="#ff0000"> the
ICG is deemed to
coordinate here.</font></div>
<div><font color="#ff0000">I
do not really
understand the meaning
of this added sentence
by Wolf</font></div>
<div><font color="#ff0000">Kavouss
</font></div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2015-01-15
11:27 GMT+01:00 WUKnoben
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de" target="_blank">wolf-ulrich.knoben@t-online.de</a>></span>:<br>
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<div>Thanks
Alissa,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>a note
would be
helpful.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>With
regards to the
text I suggest
asking the CWG
also - in case
of time
revision -
what are the
major
challenges
they encounter
(e.g.
coordination
with
CCWG-accountability).</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I've tried
to insert it
in your draft
(see below).
Please feel
free to
polish.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Wolf-Ulrich
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>-----Ursprüngliche
Nachricht-----
</div>
<div>From:
Alissa Cooper
</div>
<div>Sent:
Wednesday,
January 14,
2015 11:21 PM
</div>
<div>To: ICG </div>
<div>Subject:
[Internal-cg]
Note to CWG re
timeline? </div>
<span>
<div> </div>
<div>Wolf-Ulrich
suggested on
the call today
that we send a
note to the
CWG to obtain
more
information
about their
expected
timeline if it
does indeed
slip. I’m
happy to send
such a note if
people agree.
I’ve drafted
something up
below.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>What do
others think?
Should we send
a note? What
do you think
of the text
below?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Alissa</div>
<div> </div>
<div>----</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Dear CWG,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>The ICG
has been
following the
developments
in all of the
operational
communities,
including the
naming
community. We
have noted
some
discussions
about the
possibility
that the CWG
might require
additional
time to
complete its
response to
the ICG RFP
beyond its
original
planned
submission
date of
January 30,
2015. We would
ask that if
you decide to
revise your
estimated
completion
date that you
share with the
ICG your
revised
expected
timeline.</div>
</span>
<div><font color="#ff0000">You
may also
indicate</font><font color="#ff0000"> the CWG’s major challenges leading to the revision and
whether</font><font color="#ff0000"> the ICG is deemed to coordinate here.</font></div>
<span>
<div> </div>
<div>Thank
you,</div>
<div>Alissa
Cooper on
behalf of the
ICG</div>
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