<div dir="ltr"><div>Manal</div><div>Others</div><div>Dear Manal,</div><div>Thank you very much for your thorough and comprehensive analysis.</div><div>Thank you for the options you have proposed .</div><div>My comments are the following</div><div> 1. We better not to refer to " Complaint" but " comments" or " opnion " or " views"</div><div>2. We better not to refer that a given community " violated " r ather to say that " comments were received claiming/ indicating that certain preocedure were apparently not thoroughly followed " in that case we just act as narating the case rather than making any judgement.</div><div>3. ICG should dedclare or indicate that the attention of the community for the report of which comments were received was drawn to the comments received/ submitted in requesting to take necessary actions, as appropriate including providing the required clarification to the commenter with aview to resolve the matter ,to the extent practiceable, in a satisfactory manner.</div><div>and sending a copy to the results of review to ICG</div><div>The ICG actions to be a) in full compliance with the terms and conditions as stipulated in its Charter and b) be concise, precise with out any judgemnet on specific issue including the substance of the matter .</div><div><br></div><div>The above course of action stems from my long expereince in internattional consensus building enviroment.</div><div>Kavouss </div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-02-01 10:50 GMT+01:00 Manal Ismail <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I
feel that we almost agree on what should be done but disagree on how we should
do it .. I believe, but stand to be corrected, that the below, sort of
overarching principles, has been already agreed at the beginning of the process:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> <b>1
– "that the work was going to be done in the operating communities and,"
[Lynn]<u></u><u></u></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">2
– "that there were existing (and fairly long-standing) processes in place
which were known to and had been vetted by those communities allowing them to
arrive at their proposals." [Lynn] <u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">3
– </span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">"the
fine line we have to walk is to not replace the communities' judgement with our
own</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">"
[Joe]<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">We
have already accepted to receive direct comments from the community .. I feel,
and again stand to be corrected, that there is some agreement along the following
lines:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">1
– "We should read all the comments." [Daniel]<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">2
– "We should take action on the substance from comments that we consider
relevant for producing an acceptable document. [Daniel]<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">3
</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">–</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">"Of course we
will observe what the OCs do with comments about the substance of their
responses or their procedures. If we determine that action by an OC is needed
we can decide to request it, via our normal process.</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">" </span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">[Daniel]</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p style="text-align:left;direction:ltr"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">How? I think this
is the question we are debating .. </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">What is the mechanism to observe what the
OCs do with comments? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p style="text-align:left;direction:ltr"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">In an earlier
message, I've tried to list all possible categories of comments we may receive,
but I believe Patrik has concisely and accurately described them as follows:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="text-align:left;direction:ltr"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">a. "The
process OC use is flawed and that is pointed out to us." [Patrik] .. </span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">My understanding is
that nothing we can do here, based on Lynn (2) above ..<b><u></u><u></u></b></span></p>
<p style="text-align:left;direction:ltr"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">b. "The
process OC use is ok, but not applied correctly (i.e. violated by the OC
themselves)." [Patrik] .. </span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I believe this implies a process/substance problem
.. And this is where I believe we may need a response based on Daniel (2) &
(3) above and bearing in mind Joe (3) above ..</span><b><span lang="AR-SA" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt" dir="RTL"><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p style="text-align:left;direction:ltr"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">c. "The
process OC use is ok, applied correctly, but someone is not happy with the
result." [Patrik] .. </span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">My understanding is that nothing we can do here, since
the person her/himself admits the agreed process has been followed ..</span><span lang="AR-SA" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:11pt" dir="RTL"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="AR-SA" style="font-size:11pt" dir="RTL"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">So
what is the mechanism to observe what the OCs do with comments of category (b)
.. Are the below suggestions (not alternatives) agreed?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">"</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">It would help ICG's
process if timelines for responses are determined and communicated to the
community in question.</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">"</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">[Mary] <u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">"highlight
if we believe that the comment addresses a missing element of the application."
</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">[Joe]</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">"The
Operational Communities should carefully consider all comments/complaints and
should confirm with the ICG that they have done so." [Jon] <u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I
believe all we need is to have a common understanding on how we will do things
in a consistent and predictable manner..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Hope
this helps us to converge .. Apologies for yet another long email but at least it
spares you multiple separate replies </span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;font-size:11pt">J</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">
!! <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Kind
Regards<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">--Manal<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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