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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Dear Mr. Arasteh ..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks for your email ..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This is just to note that I've explicitly used the word 'Final'
before '</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>common understanding</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>' to keep us going regardless
whether there was a misunderstanding at an earlier stage or not .. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>On the communiqué issue, I've already replied twice to your
previous emails and believe it's out of context here ..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Yet I have to admit that I fully share your point and would have
expected some exchange of views before you left .. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>--Manal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Kavouss Arasteh
[mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 16, 2015 4:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Manal Ismail<br>
<b>Cc:</b> mnuduma; Subrenat, Jean-Jacques; ICG<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] statement Steve Crocker<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Dear Manal, Dear All,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Yes You misunderstood me totally<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>d.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I was outside Singapore and was not able to explain my
points<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>1 at ICG few people that I do not name were of the view that
once the final proposals from Numbering and Protocol <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Communities are finalised ICG should send them to NTIA fir
initial check<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Larry was there and I warned him that it was in
contradiction of our Charter section III as Jaydre also remind me.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Then Larry made a statement confirming that NTIA expect a
complete proposal from ICG covering accountability from CCWG work stream
1 . That output should go CWG .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>This means that the report of CWG must contain
Accountability relating to naming.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Then based statement from Larry , the ICG report must a)
contains reports of all three communities and b) more importantly elements of
accountability.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>This means that ICG shall NOT send partial report if
transition ( reports from numbers and protocol) as some ICG member pushing for.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>This fact should have been mentioned in our communique.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>It was not understood and was not included we missed a
golden opportunity to firmly indicate that.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I would have expect some exchange of views between
us <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Reds<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Javiuss<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>2015-02-16 14:36 GMT+01:00 Manal Ismail <<a
href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My
response to both of Alissa’s questions is yes ..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I
also fully agree with Milton’s response .. The statement was along the lines of
the procedure that has already been agreed, with the exception of the explicit
mentioning of the CCWG-Accountability WS1 recommendations .. Though again this
matched what I believe to be the final common understanding among ICG members,
it was good to hear it from the Board side too .. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind
Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--Manal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>mnuduma<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 14, 2015 1:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kavouss Arasteh; Subrenat, Jean-Jacques<br>
<b>Cc:</b> ICG</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] statement Steve Crocker<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Kavouss
and All,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The
coast is getting clearer as to the interdependencies in tasks of delivering a
complete proposal to NTIA.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> I
do not think we misunderstood you Kavouss, I personally thought you were
refering to the output of CCWG to be a direct input to the ICG. My
understanding is that it would be an indirect input through the proposal of the
CWG- IANA and l also agree with Alissa's analysis on the ICG's work relative to
Steve's statement.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The
answers to her two questions are yes, yes. However, it would all depend on when
CWG- IANA is able to submit its proposal. Milton captured it correctly as
"we do not know yet".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>As
the different co-Chairs of the Work Groups continue to coordinate and
collaborate, the tasks timelines will be better managed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Just
to be clear, Kavouss, we shall all listen to the song and appreciate the good
work of the singer. You are right to the extent of the input coming through the
CWG-IANA.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I
hope you all arrived safely from Singapore like I did.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Mary
Uduma<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sent
from Samsung tablet<o:p></o:p></p>
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-------- Original message --------<br>
From: Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com"
target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>> <br>
Date: 14/02/2015 01:25 (GMT+01:00) <br>
To: "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" <<a href="mailto:jjs@dyalog.net"
target="_blank">jjs@dyalog.net</a>> <br>
Cc: ICG <<a href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@icann.org</a>>
<br>
Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] statement Steve Crocker <br>
<br>
<br>
Dear All<br>
I am happy that gradually we are convinced that our first assumption that
" there is no need that ICG receive any input from CCWG on
accountability is not valid.<br>
I was sure that we need such information on accountability indirectly i.
e . From CCWG work stream 1 to CWG and from CWG to ICG . However.some ICG
member mislead us and disagreed with me .<br>
Now they realised they my statement made verbally at CCWG and ICG calls were
right <br>
Let us be more clear and listen to the SONG and forget the SINGER <br>
Kavouss <br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
> On 13 Feb 2015, at 18:03, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques <<a
href="mailto:jjs@dyalog.net" target="_blank">jjs@dyalog.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Thanks Alissa for highlighting the timeline aspects. I agree with your
conclusions.<br>
> <br>
> In addition, it's worth noting that at ICANN-52, the Chair of the ICANN
Board publicly recognized that "When ICANN receives these proposals, we
will forward them promptly AND WITHOUT MODIFICATION to NTIA (my
emphasis)". Looking back a few months, when some on the Board were
adamant that they had a "right" to modify the Transition plan before
sending it on to NTIA, I consider the current Board position to be a
significant and welcome change.<br>
> <br>
> Jean-Jacques.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> ----- Mail original -----<br>
> De: "Alissa Cooper" <<a href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in"
target="_blank">alissa@cooperw.in</a>><br>
> À: "joseph alhadeff" <<a
href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>><br>
> Cc: "ICG" <<a href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org"
target="_blank">internal-cg@icann.org</a>><br>
> Envoyé: Vendredi 13 Février 2015 02:05:14<br>
> Objet: Re: [Internal-cg] statement Steve Crocker<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> The statement has been posted here: <a
href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2015-02-12-en" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2015-02-12-en</a>
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> <br>
> <br>
> I think the first question we should tackle as a group is whether we think
this set of expectations as articulated by the Board is reasonable and feasible
for the communities and for us to meet. Personally, my answer to both questions
is yes. But I’d like to confirm that others feel the same way. <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> If we do think what the Board has set out is reasonable and feasible, then
I agree with Joe that we should incorporate this information into our timeline
discussion. Under our original timeline that we published in the fall, we would
have been roughly in line with what the Board suggests; that is, we were aiming
to submit the transition proposal to the Board in July and the CCWG is aiming
to submit in June < <a
href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/cwg-stewardship/attachments/20150130/efcb6371/ICG-CWG-CCWG_timeline_20150129-0001.pdf"
target="_blank">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/cwg-stewardship/attachments/20150130/efcb6371/ICG-CWG-CCWG_timeline_20150129-0001.pdf</a>
>. However, as we know, our timeline was predicated on us receiving all
three community proposals sooner than we now know that we will. <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> So if we look at the two alternative timelines I put together last weekend
(re-attached here and in Dropbox < <a
href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/pqztqy8fpox9pel/TimelineGraphic-v9.xlsx?dl=0"
target="_blank">https://www.dropbox.com/s/pqztqy8fpox9pel/TimelineGraphic-v9.xlsx?dl=0</a>
>) — "Original with CWG Dependency" and “Optimized” — I think it’s
fairly obvious that there is a good chance of us not being prepared to submit
the transition proposal to the Board until after July. Thus, if we adopt either
of those as our revised timeline, I think what we would need to do is continue
to coordinate closely with the CCWG to ensure that they do not end up
submitting their proposal to the Board too far in advance of when we think we
will finish (or vice versa). And since we already have good coordination with
them, I don’t think much else would need to be done now. <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I do think it’s important for us to decide on how we’re revising our
timeline so that we know the timing of *our* next steps, and so that we can
communicate to the IETF and RIR communities about the timing we expect for
their next steps while we await the CWG proposal. So I hope folks are looking
at the revised timeline proposals and thinking about sending their feedback in
the timeline thread on the list. <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Alissa <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Feb 12, 2015, at 7:13 AM, joseph alhadeff < <a
href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>
> wrote: <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> How would we factor this in the revision to our timeline? <br>
> <br>
> On 2/12/2015 4:40 AM, WUKnoben wrote: <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Please find here the statement as read. <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> We have received several questions requesting clarification as to how
ICANN will handle receipt of the proposal from the ICG and the Work Stream 1
proposal from the CCWG. We hope the following will be helpful. <br>
> <br>
> NTIA is expecting coordinated proposals from both groups. They cannot act
on just one. Further, they expect the ICG proposal will take into account the
accountability mechanisms proposed by the CCWG. We are heartened by the close
coordination between the groups, including liaisons from the ICG to the CCWG.
ICANN is expecting to receive both proposals at roughly the same time. When
ICANN receives these proposals, we will forward them promptly and without
modification to NTIA. As we have previously stated, if we do submit the
proposals with an accompanying communication of comments, they will be on
points we had already shared with the community during the development of the
proposals. <br>
> <br>
> We therefore encourage the groups to continue coordinating closely to
ensure ICANN receives the proposals together and is able to provide them to
NTIA in a coordinated manner. <br>
> <br>
> With respect to improvements in our accountability, we are definitely open
to improvements. <br>
> It will also be posted <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Best regards <br>
> <br>
> Wolf-Ulrich <br>
> <br>
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