<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Dear Manal,</div><div>I appreciate very much nary, s suggestion . However, if she allows me I wish to maintain my position as communicated to you</div><div>Tks to you and Mary again</div><div>Kavouss <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 23 Feb 2015, at 11:16, Manal Ismail <<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Many thanks Mr. Arasteh ..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">So I take this as you'd rather keep your text and not go for
what Mary suggested based on Joe's email, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">--Manal <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Kavouss Arasteh
[<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 23, 2015 12:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Manal Ismail<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Mary Uduma; Coordination Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Steps for handling ICG forum comments ..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Manal,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I sincerely appreciate-your valuable works.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, the changes that I made were the minimum that
should be taken into account .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I do not mind about other issues( superfluous text ) .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kavouss<o:p></o:p></p>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 23 Feb 2015, at 08:13, Manal Ismail <<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Many thanks Mary for the constructive suggestion ..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Happy to add it .. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">The reason I didn't was that I assumed that a reply of any
written form (not necessarily a statement) would be considered a commitment ..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Dear Mr. Arasteh .. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Would this address your concern?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Kind Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">--Manal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Mary Uduma [<a href="mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com">mailto:mnuduma@yahoo.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 23, 2015 2:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Manal Ismail; Kavouss Arasteh<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Coordination Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Steps for handling ICG forum comments ..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:black">Thank you Kavouss and Manal.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">I think what was omitted in Joe's formulations as reproduced by
Manal is;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:black">" </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:#CD232C">In the case of the latter we would ask them to provide a
statement to that effect. In either case we will not filter the messages".</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">If the provision of a statement from the OC is added to Manal's
opening statement, I think it would take care of Kavuoss' comments.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:black">Mary Uduma</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">On Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:34
PM, Manal Ismail <<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Dear Mr. Arasteh ..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Many thanks for your comments
which matches my initial suggestion ..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Yet I thought a different way
forward was agreed at the meeting as a compromise, which was helpfully
summarized by Joe in his email to the list (attached for your convenience) ..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Anyway, as mentioned earlier,
I’m flexible with either ..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Kind Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">--Manal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">
Kavouss Arasteh [<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 22, 2015 9:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Manal Ismail<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Daniel Karrenberg; Coordination Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Steps for handling ICG forum comments ..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">Dear Manal,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">Thank you very much for the good work that was done.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">I was identified to be part of small group on the matter.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">There are some inconsistencies that I HAVE EDITED.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">Moreover, there are overlapping and superflous paragraphs that
while is harmless but do not seem necessary.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">However, I have not touched that .</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">See attachment with revision marks </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">Kavouss </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">2015-02-22 16:28 GMT+01:00 Manal Ismail <<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>>:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">Many thanks Daniel for your response and your cooperation ..<br>
In case of no other comments, appreciate if our chair and co-chairs can<br>
put this into action ..<br>
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Kind Regards<br>
</span><span class="yiv0917716912hoenzb"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:#888888">--Manal</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Daniel Karrenberg [mailto:<a href="mailto:daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net" target="_blank">daniel.karrenberg@ripe.net</a>]<br>
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 2:23 PM<br>
To: Manal Ismail; <a href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Steps for handling ICG forum comments ..<br>
<br>
On 17.02.15 13:06 , Manal Ismail wrote:<br>
> Dear All ..<br>
><br>
> Please find attached stepsfor handling community comments received on<br>
> ICG Forum..<br>
><br>
> I hope this accuratelyreflectsthe discussion we had in Singapore ..<br>
><br>
> I have createda new document as it describes a different approach and<br>
> was too messy intrack changes ..<br>
><br>
> The old draft is still on Dropbox, if you wishto reference..<br>
><br>
> I have to clarify that this has not been discussed yet among the<br>
> smaller group agreed in Singapore, but is being shared for the sake of<br>
time ..<br>
><br>
> Hope to have this settled soon ..<br>
><br>
> Kind Regards<br>
><br>
> --Manal<br>
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Manal,<br>
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thank you very much for driving this along.<br>
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"Handling community comments submitted to the ICG Forum Discussion Draft<br>
based on Singapore Meeting<br>
11 February 2015 - V.1"<br>
<br>
is excellent and I recommend that we adopt it.<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks Lynn and thanks Joseph
.. This is extremely helpful ..</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">Kind Regards</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
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color:black">--Manal</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
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</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">From: <a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">[<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
On Behalf Of joseph alhadeff</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 11:45 AM</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">To: <a href="mailto:internal-cg@icann.org">internal-cg@icann.org</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Building on Commonalities .. [was:
Handling</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">process complaints]</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">By way of clarification and
as an input input into this discussion, I</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">thought I'd provide my suggestions in writing.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">1. Provide an automated
receipt message for each comment filed. I</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">would suggest that the automated receipt include our process
related to</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">
<br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">comments so that there is nether false expectation nor
misunderstanding.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">2. We provide each community with the option of receiving
forwarded</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">
<br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">messages or allowing them to self monitor the forum. In the
case of the</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">
<br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">latter we would ask them to provide a statement to that effect. In</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">either case we will not filter the messages.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">3. On a periodic basis, the Secretariat will create a summary
digest of</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">
<br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">comments received by subject (participation, consensus, specific</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">element, etc) and we will request that communities to whom the
comments</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">have been addressed post any summary updates related to their
responses</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">
<br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">or how they have dealt with the comments in general or by comment</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">subject which they find appropriate.</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">4. Our internal process. We will review comments
received and where we</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">believe that they require specific response or follow up, ICG will</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">create and send specific questions to the relevant community
(ies).</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Hope this helps...</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Joe</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">On 2/6/2015 6:50 PM, Lynn St.Amour wrote:</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">> Manal,</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">> first, GREAT job as usual!</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">> And, both you and Daniel have laid this out quite
clearly. Thank you</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">both.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">> I support many of Daniel's points (just as you did), in fact,
all but</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">one. I do have concerns about "No acknowledgements. No
forwarding" for</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">the reasons you state. It does not feel
responsive enough.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">> I would support a path that acknowledged and forwarded any
comments</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">the ICG forum received to the appropriate OC - with a short note
re our</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">expectations (captured largely in your earlier note, and worded in
a way</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">that did not trigger our common fears of incorrect
impressions). It</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">could also reaffirm the role of the OC's and the ICG - this will
also be</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">instructional for anyone else contemplating a note to the ICG.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">> I also see this more as an Operating Practice than a
Procedure per se.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">> If we go this way, I am happy to work with Manal (and others)
on text.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">> Best all,</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">> Lynn</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">> On Feb 5, 2015, at 2:31 AM, "Manal Ismail" <<a href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>> wrote:</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> Comments, short ones :), inline below ..</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> Kind Regards</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> --Manal</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> -----Original Message-----</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> From: <a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org">internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> [<a href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:internal-cg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Daniel
Karrenberg</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">
<br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 9:52 AM</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> To: Alissa Cooper</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> Cc: ICG</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> Subject: Re: [Internal-cg] Building on Commonalities ..
[was: </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> Handling process complaints]</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> On 2.02.15 23:00 , Alissa Cooper wrote:</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>>> Jean-Jacques,</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>>></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>>> ... And I think it would be great to continue this
discussion on the</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">>>> mailing list so
that it need not occupy much time during the F2F</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> meeting. ...</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> After the discussion so far, my proposal remains as is:</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> avoid any impression that we run a complaints procedure
or an appeals</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">>> process.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> [MI]: Agree ..</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> No procedure.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> [MI]: Agree .. We don't necessarily need a procedure, per
se, but at </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> least we need common agreement on how to proceed ..</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> No acknowledgements. No forwarding.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> [MI]: Let me try to go down this path, then what? Do
nothing? Then </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> why did we agree to receive comments directly from the community
at </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> the first place? Do something else? Fair enough, what is
it?</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> Agree on posing specific questions using our normal
process.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> [MI]: I fully agree .. Each ICG member can pose questions
to the </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> relevant OC .. and I support Alissa's proposal, to gather
all ICG </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> questions and compile one list (union of all) for each
relevant OC ..</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> ICG questions and public comments are different and not
mutually </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> exclusive processes, as ICG questions may or may not have
to with </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> public comments ..</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> It appears to me that we should address this first. It
makes no sense</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">>> going into details
about a specific procedure before we definitely </span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> agree to have one.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> [MI]: Definitely .. I fully agree ..</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> [MI]: I think, by now, both our views are clear :) ..
Let's hear </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> other colleagues then try to reach an ICG consensus view
and a way </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> forward tomorrow at the meeting ..</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> Daniel</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> _______________________________________________</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> Internal-cg mailing list</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> <a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org">Internal-cg@icann.org</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> _______________________________________________</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> Internal-cg mailing list</span><span style="font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> <a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org">Internal-cg@icann.org</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">>> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">> _______________________________________________</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">> Internal-cg mailing list</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">> <a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org">Internal-cg@icann.org</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">_______________________________________________</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">Internal-cg mailing list</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org">Internal-cg@icann.org</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">_______________________________________________</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black">Internal-cg mailing list</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org">Internal-cg@icann.org</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> <br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";
color:black"><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a></span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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color:black">_______________________________________________<br>
Internal-cg mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Internal-cg@icann.org">Internal-cg@icann.org</a><br>
<a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/internal-cg</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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