<div dir="ltr"><div>Yup... understood. That's a very vaild point that principles stand or fall over details how their are stewarded.<br><br>I guess my point is that we have to start from 1st principles -- such as a statement of principles, against which all else may be both self-referenced and externally referenced. <br>
<br>Clearly hypocrisy can take many forms, but if there is a modicum of transparency and openness, then the difference between practice and theory will be publicly evident -- and therein lies a world of difference. <br><br>
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<div>this is one more of this things that sound good till tested, gamed, and obliterated. Like privacy statements on websites, or the small letters in software licenses.</div>
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<div>Do note also the ITU's definition of its being multistakeholder (as one example.)</div>
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<div>Compliance mechanisms, auditing, opportunities for decision appeal, reversal and redress... now that's another level but also another level of cost. Witness ATRT (1, 2, and who knows what's next.) </div>
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Perhaps a 'Public Statement of Principles' is itself a principle that should be considered for institutions that claim to have public interest objectives in the Internet Governance Ecosystem.
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<div style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large">I note that NZ has institutional objectives anchored in principles. Nice.</div>
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<div>The InternetNZ Group has also documented its principles. There is one document of Policy Principles and another of Top Level Domains Principles. </div>
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