<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I would balance that hypothetical risk against all that we would lose with regard to knowledge and experience if we have but a single five-year term for each panelist. I would also be more optimistic about the integrity of panelists, their understanding that impartiality and independence is integral to the position, and their desire to execute their duties to the best of their ability. I would also consider that this is not their only gig.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I would also consider the fact that any panelist seeking reappointment would have to be approved by the SO/ACs and not merely by ICANN, so any appearance of sucking up to ICANN could be counterproductive.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Do we have any reason to believe or evidence that points to the current crop of panelists pandering to ICANN? They seem like a pretty independent bunch to me.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I suppose one compromise could be a single 10-year term. Thoughts?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> <br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></p><div><p style="text-indent:0in"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><a name="UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter_UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter_UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter__GoBack"></a></span><b style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#002e62">Greg
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Malcolm Hutty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:malcolm@linx.net" target="_blank">malcolm@linx.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>That the lack of hope of a second term is the best guarantee of independence. </div><div id="m_-3329416076623523325AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-3329416076623523325AppleMailSignature">(An argument that has a certain pedigree, for fans of the Federalist Papers). <br><br>Sent from my iDevice; please excuse terseness and typos.</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 17 May 2017, at 21:54, Mike Rodenbaugh <<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" target="_blank">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="auto">Sorry to miss calls and not have reviewed transcripts... But, briefly, what is argument to limit to one term?<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Mike Rodenbaugh<br>RODENBAUGH LAW<br>tel/fax: <a href="tel:(415)%20738-8087" value="+14157388087" target="_blank">+1.415.738.8087</a><br><a href="http://rodenbaugh.com" target="_blank">http://rodenbaugh.com</a></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On May 17, 2017 8:03 PM, "Greg Shatan" <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Malcolm, thanks for reviving the undecided point. Let's make sure that (in addition to Mike) we get the views of those who have not yet weighed in. If "one and done" is the active consensus of the group that's fine. But let's make sure we have achieved consensus by viewpoint and not by exhaustion.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-3329416076623523325m_6831269906659110248gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></p><div><p style="text-indent:0in"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><a name="m_-3329416076623523325_m_6831269906659110248_UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter_UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter_UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter__GoBack"></a></span><b style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#002e62">Greg
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Mike Rodenbaugh <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike@rodenbaugh.com" target="_blank">mike@rodenbaugh.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I would support renewal. It is important for panelists to have experience in these matters, so to me that justifies at least one renewal term.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><span class="m_-3329416076623523325m_6831269906659110248HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-3329416076623523325m_6831269906659110248m_-5886342173146287856gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Mike Rodenbaugh</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">RODENBAUGH LAW</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">tel/fax: <a href="tel:(415)%20738-8087" value="+14157388087" target="_blank">+1.415.738.8087</a></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><a href="http://rodenbaugh.com" target="_blank">http://rodenbaugh.com</a> </div></div></div></div></font></span><div><div class="m_-3329416076623523325m_6831269906659110248h5">
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Malcolm Hutty <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:malcolm@linx.net" target="_blank">malcolm@linx.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 2017-05-12 16:46, McAuley, David via IOT wrote:<br>
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Even though we appeared to agree on the call May 3rd that panelists<br>
would have one five-year term with no opportunity for renewal, we<br>
discussed that notion further yesterday and the balance tilted toward<br>
allowing for a one-time renewal of an additional five-year term (total<br>
cap on service as panelist at ten years). The discussion yesterday on<br>
this issue is largely captured on pages 18 - 22 of the "Raw Caption<br>
Notes" of the call accessible here by scrolling down:<br>
<a href="https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=64084338" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/pa<wbr>ges/viewpage.action?pageId=640<wbr>84338</a><br>
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I have now read the "Raw caption notes" (transcript), and I see that<br>
Greg was the only person speaking in favour of a change of position.<br>
Avri noted that Greg's points "had made her less certain of her position"<br>
but that "I haven't completely switched over."<br>
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Nobody else expressed a view.<br>
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As a matter of process, I therefore assume that the position agreed<br>
on the previous call remains intact. i.e. no renewal.<br>
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Kind Regards,<br>
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Malcolm<br>
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