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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks Greg.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I think we have had good discussion. My suggestion for tomorrow would be to invite Malcolm (as issue lead) and Liz or Sam to wind up their positions in brief rather than in
depth and then, unless someone has something new and material to add, to ask Malcolm as lead to prepare a statement for list as to winding up the matter for first reading.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> iot-bounces@icann.org [mailto:iot-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Malcolm Hutty <malcolm@linx.net><br>
<b>Cc:</b> iot@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [IOT] IOT Timing-Repose Issue<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I largely agree with Malcolm on this point, and if we want to explore it in more depth, I'm happy to do so. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><a name="UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter_UNIQUE_ID_SafeH"></a><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#002E62">Greg Shatan<br>
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S: gsshatan<br>
</span><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Malcolm Hutty <<a href="mailto:malcolm@linx.net" target="_blank">malcolm@linx.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2017-05-11 07:55, Elizabeth Le wrote:<br>
> Here are some thoughts from ICANN regarding the statute of repose<br>
> issue and, in particular, how the lack of a time limit could impact<br>
> ICANN and the broader ICANN community:<br>
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> The IRP IOT is discussing the issue of “repose,” which is has two<br>
> components:<br>
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> * How long after a person is aware (or reasonably should have been<br>
> aware) of a harm caused by an act of ICANN that was taken in<br>
> contradiction to the Bylaws or Articles; and<br>
> * How long of a period of time, in total, should pass before it is no<br>
> longer reasonable for a person to claim they became aware of an action<br>
> of ICANN that they alleged caused them harm?<br>
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I could provide a point-by-point rebuttal, and if Liz and Sam would<br>
appreciate the courtesy I would be happy to do so (not least because I<br>
have already written it) but I fear others on this list would find it<br>
tiresome.<br>
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So for now I will simply say that I disagree with much of what Liz has<br>
set out in her lengthy e-mail, and that I note that it does not actually<br>
disclose any actual, identifiable problems that would result from the<br>
120 day rule, only a difference of preference on approach.<br>
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I think it is vitally important that no claim should be struck out by<br>
reason of being too late before it was even possible to file it. A<br>
person has to be "materially affected" to file a claim: they cannot be<br>
too late before they have been materially affected.<br>
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Any rule that would have the effect of striking out the claim before it<br>
was possible to bring it is not in truth a deadline for filing, it is a<br>
covert attempt to rewrite (and narrow) the rules on standing set out in<br>
the bylaws.<br>
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That cannot be right, nor is it within our power. We must act<br>
consistently with the bylaws.<br>
<br>
In a desperate attempt to draw a line under this, I would like to make a<br>
last attempt at a compromise, based on Liz's opening statement above:<br>
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* add a presumption that it is not reasonable for a person to claim that<br>
they only became aware of the harm more than a year after the date they<br>
suffered it, and so became eligible to file the claim.<br>
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I hope this is acceptable to ICANN Legal.<br>
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If, on the other hand, ICANN Legal cannot be satisfied unless some<br>
classes of claim are immunised from ever being heard, irrespective of<br>
how promptly the claimant reacts to the harm they have suffered, then I<br>
think we must respectfully reject their position. To do otherwise would<br>
fundamentally dishonour both the bylaws and the transition settlement.<br>
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Malcolm.<br>
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