<div><div dir="auto">David,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think this makes good sense. I agree in part with Kavouss that part of the ICDR notice should be retained. On reviewing those elements, the only that I think should be added is the one requiring names and addresses, etc. of the parties and their representatives. The others either don’t fit or are already covered.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Since this is a “notice pleading” we should keep it lightweight. Thus, I would not be in favor of requiring research and presentation of precedent (“similar cases”). There might be utility in requiring reference to any cases currently before the IRP making substantially similar claims. This would promote judicial economy and potential joining of cases.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I think the elements suggested are innocuous enough that a full comment period shouldn’t be needed. It would be helpful to understand the procedure if any to amend the rules and see if we can use that. There should at least be notice of the change and some opportunity to comment.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Greg</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:41 PM McAuley, David via IOT <<a href="mailto:iot@icann.org">iot@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you Kavouss for these thoughtful suggestions. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am tied up right now but will give these some thought and react to them later this week. And we can also discuss on next call – but I will respond soon.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best wishes,<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_6172348579666768921WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal">David<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">David McAuley<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sr International Policy & Business Development Manager<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Verisign Inc.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">703-948-4154<u></u><u></u></p>
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</div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_6172348579666768921WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Kavouss Arasteh [mailto:<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> McAuley, David <dmcauley@Verisign.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:iot@icann.org" target="_blank">iot@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:aloup@usc.edu" target="_blank">aloup@usc.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [IOT] On elements of an IRP claim<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_6172348579666768921WordSection1">
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Dear<strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Thank you very much for your message.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Good catch .These elements are In fact missing or not currently clearly indicated</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I reply as follows:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">1. Do we need to refer the IOT bindings to public comment
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">My insight is yes unless unaninously/ full consens decided otherwise
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">2. What are the relevant elements.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">2.I suggest you keep what are currently available in
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">standard International Arbitration Rules of the ICDR for inclusion in a Notice a demand that the dispute be referred to arbitration; you may delete with revision marks those
irrelevant or ....</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">2.2 add what you proposed</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">2.3 I add another element to your suggested item
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:red">A REFERNCE TO ANY SIMILAR CLAIMS ALREADY SUBMITTED TOGETHER THE RESULTING DECISION
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">3.Post them on the list for a week</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">4. Comeback with suggestions from IOT member to add . delete or modify</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">5. Take up the compilation </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">6.Discuss them at our next meeting</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">7.kAVOUSS <u></u><u></u></p>
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<u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">the names, addresses, telephone numbers, fax numbers, and email addresses of the parties and, if known, of their representatives;
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<u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">a copy of the entire arbitration clause or agreement being invoked, and, where claims are made under more than one arbitration agreement, a copy of the arbitration
agreement under which each claim is made; </span></u><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">
<u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">a reference to any contract out of or in relation to which the dispute arises;
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<u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">a description of the claim and of the facts supporting it;
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<u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">the relief or remedy sought and any amount claimed; and
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<u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">g. optionally, proposals, consistent with any prior agreement between or among the parties, as to the means of designating the arbitrators, the number of arbitrators,
the place of arbitration, the language(s) of the arbitration, and any interest in mediating the dispute.f Arbitration. that includes
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:32 PM, McAuley, David via IOT <<a href="mailto:iot@icann.org" target="_blank">iot@icann.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear members of the IRP IOT,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As mentioned, I want to run an idea on this list about treatment of elements of an IRP claim.
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is a matter we have not yet specifically addressed as part of the supplementary rules - the ‘required elements of a Claim.’<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bylaw 4.3(n)(iv)(C) says as follows:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<i><span style="background:white">(iv) The Rules of Procedure are intended to ensure fundamental fairness and due process and shall at a minimum address the following elements:</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
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<i>…</i><u></u><u></u></p>
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<i><span style="background:white">(C) Rules governing written submissions, </span>
<span style="background:yellow">including the required elements of a Claim</span><span style="background:white">, other requirements or limits on content, time for filing, length of statements, number of supplemental statements, if any, permitted evidentiary
support (factual and expert), including its length, both in support of a Claimant's Claim and in support of </span>ICANN<span style="background:white">'s Response;</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Keeping in mind that our task is to create ‘supplementary’ rules, it is worth noting that the standard International Arbitration Rules of the ICDR address the particulars that need
to be stated in a Notice of Arbitration. They include:<u></u><u></u></p>
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a demand that the dispute be referred to arbitration; <u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">
the names, addresses, telephone numbers, fax numbers, and email addresses of the parties and, if known, of their representatives;
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a copy of the entire arbitration clause or agreement being invoked, and, where claims are made under more than one arbitration agreement, a copy of the arbitration agreement under which each claim is made;
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a reference to any contract out of or in relation to which the dispute arises; <u></u>
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a description of the claim and of the facts supporting it; <u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">
the relief or remedy sought and any amount claimed; and <u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">
g. optionally, proposals, consistent with any prior agreement between or among the parties, as to the means of designating the arbitrators, the number of arbitrators, the place of arbitration, the language(s) of the arbitration, and any interest in mediating
the dispute.<u></u><u></u></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal">These are not an exact fit for IRP, and of course some are inapplicable to IRP (e.g., an amount claimed).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(The
<a href="https://www.icdr.org/sites/default/files/document_repository/Supplementary_Procedures_ICANN_Independent_Review_Process.pdf" target="_blank">
current supplementary rules for IRP</a> – those in effect now, not the ones we are drafting for the new IRP – don’t specifically deal with ‘elements’ although Section 5 (Written Statements) presumably covers the topic.)
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<p class="MsoNormal">I propose that we add a section on elements to the draft supplementary rules. This seems to me to be an administrative task that would not need to be subject to community comment.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am asking for you feedback then on two issues:<u></u><u></u></p>
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Can my suggested addition (below) be added to the Updated Supplementary Procedures without public comment; and<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">
Is the language below acceptable to you?<u></u><u></u></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal">Here is what I suggest for elements:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That we add a new section under the definition of DISPUTES in section 1. Definitions in the draft
<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/draft-irp-supp-procedures-31oct16-en.pdf" target="_blank">
Updated Supplementary Procedures</a> as follows:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(D) A written statement of a DISPUTE shall contain at least the following information:<u></u><u></u></p>
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A demand that the DISPUTE be referred to Independent Review pursuant to Bylaw section 4.3 (or Annex D, Section 4.2 for Empowered Community claims);<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">
a reference to any ICANN contract, ICANN policy, ICANN action or inaction, or decision by a process-specific expert panel out of or in relation to which the DISPUTE arises; and<u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:10.0pt;line-height:115%">
a description of the claim and the facts supporting it and how such contract, policy, action or inaction, or decision violate(s) ICANN’s Articles of Incorporation or Bylaws;
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<p class="MsoNormal">These elements don’t address PTI service complaints or IANA Naming Functions contract complaints, but we can address that when the IOT later addresses any ‘specialized’ rules noted
in Bylaw 4.3(n)(ii). <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please weigh in on list.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you and best regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">David<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">David McAuley<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Sr International Policy & Business Development Manager<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Verisign Inc.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">703-948-4154<u></u><u></u></p>
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