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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Flip. Your clarification is appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Flip Petillion <fpetillion@petillion.law><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 9:10 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Samantha Eisner <Samantha.Eisner@icann.org>, Susan Payne <susan.payne@comlaude.com>, Malcolm Hutty <Malcolm@linx.net>, Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com>, "iot@icann.org" <iot@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Ext] Re: [IOT] IOT - Agenda for 17 Nov call 17:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I think a word is missing in point 6</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="color:black">www.petillion.law</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">IOT <iot-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Samantha Eisner <Samantha.Eisner@icann.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 17 November 2020 at 17:59<br>
<b>To: </b>Susan Payne <susan.payne@comlaude.com>, Malcolm Hutty <Malcolm@linx.net>, Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com>, "iot@icann.org" <iot@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [IOT] IOT - Agenda for 17 Nov call 17:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Looking forward to the conversation, and I have a few notes to share based on my initial read this morning:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">ICANN does not need to give permission to any person or entity to file an IRP. That is a choice of the filer if they believe they have standing (i.e., meet all the prerequisites of
alleging a proper dispute under the Bylaws and they suffered harm, etc.). ICANN also does not direct filers on what they can or cannot say in their IRP filing.
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">The issue of whether the IRP was timely filed is an issue for the panel to consider, and if ICANN believed that the IRP was not timely, it would surely note that issue in its filings.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">Both of the items are premised on the ICANN community recommending and the Board accepting a program or policy that happens to actually be against mission. As ICANN org has flagged
before, if that is the initial premise, we have far bigger issues in ICANN or ICANN’s MSM than just the running of a singular policy or program.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">Both of the scenarios could reasonably set out a timely filing of an IRP based on a specific implementation decision as raised by ICANN. The issue we have been discussing with the
IOT is whether an aggrieved person or entity can come, years down the road and with no new action by ICANN or the Board, to say that the decision that was taken years ago was improper. That scenario is not presented by Malcolm’s new stress tests. (I am not
opining on the content of the examples with this statement, just focusing on the timing).<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">If ICANN were declared to have violated its Bylaws as applied in either of those scenarios, the discussion about the future viability of the entirety of the program/policy would be
a necessary discussion. This seems to be the same outcome that would happen even if the initial decision was challenged, but the IRP would be based on fresh, recent facts and inputs.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">As a reminder, the IRPs are not about delivering individual relief to an impacted entity.<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sam<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">IOT <iot-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Susan Payne <susan.payne@comlaude.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 7:46 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Malcolm Hutty <Malcolm@linx.net>, Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com>, "iot@icann.org" <iot@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [IOT] IOT - Agenda for 17 Nov call 17:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks Malcolm for these thoughtful examples. I look forward to us discussing these later today during our meeting.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Susan Payne</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Head of Legal Policy<b><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> IOT <iot-bounces@icann.org> <b>On Behalf Of </b>
Malcolm Hutty<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 17 November 2020 14:33<br>
<b>To:</b> Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard@gmail.com>; iot@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IOT] IOT - Agenda for 17 Nov call 17:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Last meeting I took an action to construct some “Stress Test scenarios” on repose.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have come up with two that I think demonstrate how repose undermines the purposes of the IRP in respect of the “limited mission” clause.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please find attached.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kind Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Malcolm<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> IOT <<a href="mailto:iot-bounces@icann.org">iot-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bernard Turcotte<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 16 November 2020 20:17<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:iot@icann.org">iot@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [IOT] IOT - Agenda for 17 Nov call 17:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Please find the agenda for this meeting below:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">1.Review agenda and updates to SOIs<br>
2. Action items from the last meeting:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">• MH and others – Propose examples of issues with respect to Repose by email.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">4. Continue discussions on the time for filing issue.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">6. Next Meeting December 1, 19:00UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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