<div dir="ltr">Dear All, Thank you for your comments<div>We need to focus on timing namely 12 months while taking into account purely exceptional cases in which more time beyond 12 months is needed.</div><div>As for Filp's suggestion ,while I fully appreciate the valuable Information provided but still there are several unanswered questions.</div><div>1. It is hard to start another round of in-depth studies about the three scenarios .</div><div> However, it is difficult tobe convinced that it does exclude the modification of Bylaws .</div><div>If it could eventually requires change of Bylaws, I am not in favour of and further steps </div><div>2. If it exclude change of Bylaws ,any major departure from the initial timing which was put to public comments requires additional one or even 2 public comments </div><div>3.Receiving comprehensive replies from those one or two public comments require another comprehensive analysis</div><div>4. Why for the things that could be easily mitigate the difficulties brought by public comments we need to totally open new avenue.</div><div>5. The task of this group should not be extended to be a research approach .I therefore do not agree to even study the appropriateness of a new approach </div><div>6.lLet us be practical/ pragmatic and avoid complicating the matter</div><div>Regards</div><div>Kavouss </div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 6:10 PM Kristina Rosette <<a href="mailto:krosette@gmail.com">krosette@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>All,</div><div><br></div><div>During our consolidation group call, I agreed with and supported Helen's suggestion that we examine and refine the concept of "amicus" as reflected in Rule 7. Although I have always substituted "intervenor" for amicus curiae while reading that rule, I also agree that modifying to "intervenor" may be too restrictive.</div><div><br></div><div>Finally, with apologies, I have a conflicting personal obligation so am unable to join the call.</div><div><br></div><div>Kristina <br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:56 AM Lee, Helen via IOT <<a href="mailto:iot@icann.org" target="_blank">iot@icann.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">During the consolidation subgroup meeting last week, I raised a point regarding amicus participation in IRPs, which some of us agreed would greatly benefit from discussion with the larger group. Accordingly, I have outlined my points below
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<p class="MsoNormal">In the minds of most, including international arbitrators and at least US based lawyers, “amicus” suggests a limited role that may be inconsistent with what is fair in a particular dispute, or may be inconsistent with due process. Indeed,
the term “amicus” has specific meaning in the law; traditionally, amici are given very limited participation, whether in court or arbitration. While I am unclear regarding the limitations of the ICANN process associated with changing the term “amicus” itself,
assume for purposes of illustration that we call “amicus” instead “Interested Entity.” Interested Entity should be allowed a level of participation appropriate to how its interests may be affected by the outcome -- without the built in bias standard plainly
suggested by the term amicus. Indeed, a set of rules that allows a serious impact on legal rights based on little participation may, as a system, be a violation of due process and subject to being stricken down. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rule 7 of the Interim Procedures define amicus as below:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">“Any person, group, or entity that has a material interest relevant to the DISPUTE but does not satisfy the standing requirements for a CLAIMANT set forth in the Bylaws may participate as an amicus curiae before an IRP PANEL, subject to
the limitations set forth below. Without limitation to the persons, groups, or entities that may have such a material interest, the following persons, groups, or entities shall be deemed to have a material interest relevant to the DISPUTE and, upon request
of person, group, or entity seeking to so participate, shall be permitted to participate as an amicus before the IRP PANEL…”
<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irp-interim-supplementary-procedures-25oct18-en.pdf" target="_blank">
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irp-interim-supplementary-procedures-25oct18-en.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The drafting history of Rule 7 (and others who participated in that process can speak to it with far more authority than I may be able to) indicates it is designed to accommodate broader third party involvement than the expression “amicus
curiae” is traditionally understood to include. The Panel’s decision in Phase I of Afilias matter concluded “nature and breadth of the amicus participation that should be afforded to the Applicant Amici in this<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">case – whether it be under the provisions of Rule 7, properly interpreted, as an exercise of the Panel’s discretion under Section 4.3(o)(v) of the Bylaws, or under relevant principles of international law” should be “broadly accorded.”
<a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irp-afilias-panel-decision-phase-1-redacted-12feb20-en.pdf" target="_blank">
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/irp-afilias-panel-decision-phase-1-redacted-12feb20-en.pdf</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While my argument is not that claims of amici should routinely equal those of full intervenors, I may start the conversation by suggesting that we devise a truly flexible standard for participation by the Interested Entity. Would it be
possible to build into these rules a concept that the degree of participation should be flexible and encompass that participation necessary fully to protect the rights and interests of the amici, including, where appropriate to that end, the right fully to
participate in all proceedings as a party? We could develop a standard for involvement by an amicus that avoids the definition likely to be given the term absent an express definition or standard. It would also be helpful to add a statement that the category
of participation is unique to the IRP process, given its specific limitations, and therefore to be defined by the rules themselves and not by reference to other forms of participation in courts or arbitrations such as “amici.”
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<li><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">All - review the public comment input from both public comment periods on the topic of the repose</span><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></li><li><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif" lang="EN-GB">Staff – Prepare a scorecard to track progress vs major items.</span><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-GB"><u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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