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<div>The IETF Trust was specifically formed to manage and control the Intellectual Property of the IETF. I was involved in the creation of the Trust along with Steve Crocker, ISOC Leadership, Bob Kahn, as well as the then IETF Chair, and trademark counsel
the IETF leadership and others. An amendment would need to be required in order for them to manage the IP Rights of the IANA organization, but that does not seem to be too complicated. The IETF's Trust's sole reason for existence was to manage IP so they
should have the expertise. Granted I have not followed the evolution of the Trust over the past five years or so, but they should have the expertise.</div>
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<div>But let me ask a fundamental question. What quality control are we really worried about here in terms of use of the trademark rights? I have been racking my brain trying to think of the possible parade of horribles that might occur if IANA is not able
to control the use of the IANA trademark. can there really be infringement of the IANA mark which may not arguably be used in commerce? even if there is a use of the mark by others, Are we worried that others may believe that some other entity is the real
IANA if the other entity uses the IANA name? I would think the accountability measures within the community are too strong for that (not to mention the sophistication of the IANA user base - the registries and the IETF itself. </div>
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<div>I am only playing devil's advocate here, but what are practical concerns we are worried about?</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Good question by Paul – seems this would require an amendment to the terms of the IETF Trust. Also not sure this falls within their expertise. If they hold
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 18, 2015 1:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> McGrady, Paul D.<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [IPC-GNSO] Fwd: [Soac-infoalert] ICANN Statement Regarding IANA Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) - ICANN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">ICANN has not proposed a particular third party. The CRISP Team, representing the numbers community, has proposed the IETF Trust. The IANAPLAN Team, representing the protocol parameters
community (aka the IETF), was silent on the IANA trademarks; when asked by the ICG whether they objected to the CRISP plan, they indicated they did not object, and that they were willing to have the IETF Trust serve in that role. It's not clear to me whether
or to what extent either Team consulted trademark counsel or understood the ramifications of this proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">The CWG has not taken a position. A rough consensus seems to be emerging that some third party (not necessarily the IETF Trust) would be acceptable, if appropriate accountability measures
were put in place (i.e., that the third party would be accountable to the 3 operational communities). This is still an active discussion in the CWG. Many are pushing for it to be the IETF Trust. I am trying to get people to focus on the substantive concerns,
with quality control chief among them (and policing and enforcement, default and termination powers not far behind).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 4:14 PM, McGrady, Paul D. <<a href="mailto:PMcGrady@winston.com" target="_blank">PMcGrady@winston.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Which entity will be the assignee of the IANA trademark? In order for that to work, the assignee
will need to have quality control power. Who is ICANN suggesting will retain quality control over the IANA mark? That is a very powerful position, indeed.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 18, 2015 12:02 AM<br>
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