[ispcp] RV: Vice Chair Elections

Wed Dec 19 14:07:37 UTC 2012

All,
This is the only e-mail I received regarding the rotation between CSG and the NCSG.
Best regards,
Osvaldo

-----Mensaje original-----
De: Wendy Seltzer [mailto:wendy at seltzer.org]
Enviado el: Jueves, 08 de Noviembre de 2012 05:29
Para: Zahid Jamil
CC: <john at crediblecontext.com>; Brian Winterfeldt; petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu; Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de; Novoa, Osvaldo; David Cake; mpazello at e-fem.net; Wolfgang Kleinwächter; Joy Liddicoat; Maria Farrell; Lanre Ajayi
Asunto: Re: Vice Chair Elections

On 11/04/2012 04:16 PM, Zahid Jamil wrote:
> Dear Wendy,
>
> Do you have any communications where the rotation was agreed.  If you could provide them it may help us consider this and hopefully take it forward.

I've included the email thread below:

--Wendy

>>> From: Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>>> Date: October 25, 2011 2:48:48 AM PDT
>>> To: "Metalitz, Steven" <met at msk.com>
>>> Cc: Tony Holmes <tonyarholmes at btinternet.com>, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Election of GNSO council vice chair
>>>
>>> Thank you for getting back to me, Steve.    Since CSG would like to stick to the yearly rotation, we will support Wolf for VC, and then next year's VC will come from the NCSG, as we agreed.
>>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 24, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Robin,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your note.  We have considered this option but on balance we would like to keep to the agreement struck last year.  Wolf is our CSG candidate and we think he should go through the election process as agreed.  We believe he will do a good job for all parts of our non-contracted party house.  I know he has reached out to the non-commercial side and will continue to do so.  We also think Mary, who is clearly an asset to the entire council, has much to contribute in other important roles.  Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Metalitz
>>>> for the CSG Executive Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:21 AM
>>>> To: Metalitz, Steven
>>>> Subject: Re: Election of GNSO council vice chair
>>>>
>>>> Hello Steve,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the email.  Given the dominance the contracted parties have historically had in the GNSO, and the need for the NCPH to help set the agenda in the GNSO, I'm sure you agree that it is most important to both our SG's that we have a VC who will be an effective advocate for the entire NCPH.  Considering the excellent job Mary has done for the entire NCPH in this last year, would the CSG be willing to consider allowing her to stand for a 2nd term VC?
>>>>
>>>> I should note that we would be equally willing to consider supporting extending the term of a really good CSG councilor, in a subsequent year.
>>>>
>>>> I think it is in both our SG's interest to have the best VC that the NCPH can produce (from either SG), so I don't want us to get too bogged down in CSG candidate v. NCSG candidate thinking.  Rather, let's think about what will best advance the interests of the entire NCPH, and a 2nd-year VC, when we've got an excellent advocate for both our SG's, will serve us both well (and the entire GNSO Council).
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?  Can CSG consider Mary for a 2nd term?   Next year we can return to the rotation and CSG can put forth a VC.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you again,
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 23, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Robin,
>>>>> At the time that our Non-Contracted Parties House last selected a vice Chair of the GNSO Council, the NCSG proposed, and the CSG agreed, that at the next election, the SG whose candidate did not prevail would have the preferential option to nominate a candidate for vice chair.  That nominee would undergo a vote (nominated candidate v. none of above) and, if the candidate received 8 or more votes, would be elected.  If not, then the same process as used last time would be followed (nominations from both SGs, one or more round of voting, etc.).  Please see below e-mail chain setting forth this agreement.
>>>>>
>>>>> In accordance with this, on behalf of the CSG executive committee, let me confirm that we have nominated Wolf-Ulrich Knoben as Vice Chair.  May I suggest that you work with Marilyn Cade or Tony Holmes, who are onsite in Dakar, to arrange either for a meeting place, or for an e-mail ballot administered by the GNSO secretariat, in order to conduct an election between Wolf and none of the above before the GNSO council meeting on Wednesday.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, and please let me know if any questions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve Metalitz
>>>>> For CSG Executive Committee
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org]
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:42 AM
>>>>> To: Metalitz, Steven; Glen de Saint Gery
>>>>> Subject: Re: Council vice chair was RE: [] Updated GNSO Council agenda for 13 January
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just confirming there was no objection in the NCSG Policy committee to the CSG caveat.
>>>>>
>>>>> Glen: Please proceed with the vote at your convenience.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> a.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 30 Dec 2010, at 10:03, Avri Doria wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Steve, thanks for the reply.  I do not expect there will be any problem accepting the CSG caveat, just want to give the NCSG Policy group a day to review it.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Glen, I think planning on sending out the ballots on Monday, or whenever works out for you after that, should be fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I will get back to you both,  should there be any issue.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks to you both and wishes for a great 2011.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > a.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 30 Dec 2010, at 09:35, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Avri,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The process you propose below now has the support of all of CSG, with the caveat that we review the process after two iterations (i.e., before the election for the term beginning after the last ICANN meeting in 2012).
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> By copy to Glen, and subject to Avri's confirmation on behalf of NCSG, I ask her to distribute ballots to the 13 council representatives from the CSG, NCSG, and NCA (Olga), to choose between the following candidates for vice chair:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Wolf-Ulrich Knoben (CSG)
>>>>> >> Mary Wong (NCSG)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I believe 7 calendar days would be an adequate time frame for ballots to be returned to Glen.  If either candidate gets 8 votes, then that candidate is the winner.  If not, the leader runs against none of the above in a second round.   So if we do not have vice chair in place by the time of the 1/13 council meeting, we will be well on our way to doing so.
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Thanks to all for patience as we worked this through.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> And best wishes to all for a happy new year!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Steve
>>>>> >> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org]
>>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:22 PM
>>>>> >> To: Metalitz, Steven; Olga Cavalli
>>>>> >> Subject: Fwd: [] Updated GNSO Council agenda for 13 January
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi,,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> 9.1 Status of Vice Chair elections in the Non Contracted Party House.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Where are we at?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I know we agreed that Olga serves interim, and I think that is great.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Is there any feedback on the NCSG suggestion that we just elect following the general practice that was used for the Chair election?
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I repeat it below.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> thanks
>>>>> >> a.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >>> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org]
>>>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 6:15 PM
>>>>> >>> To: Metalitz, Steven
>>>>> >>> Cc: Marilyn Cade; Olga Cavalli; Holmes Tony
>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: update from the CSG side about progression toward
>>>>> >>> election process for V.Chair/House
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> We certainly accept Olga remaining while we figure this out, which I
>>>>> >>> hope is soon, really soon.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Yes, our candidate is Mary.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I would like to counter propose.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> We follow the GCOT defined process for the chair.  it is, in
>>>>> >>> diplomatic speak, agreed language and would allow us to be done with it.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> That means
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> 1 candidate from each SG
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> a. need 8 votes to win
>>>>> >>> b. if no one gets 8, person in the lead runs against none of the
>>>>> >>> above
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> - From now on, we alternate with the SG who did not pick the
>>>>> >>> successful candidate, picking the v-chair candidate.  They can pick
>>>>> >>> the person who is currently in the v-chair (assuming they are doing
>>>>> >>> a good job, and are really neutral), someone from their group, or
>>>>> >>> the NCA (don't assume they would pick someone from the other group
>>>>> >>> who wasn't already v-chair but they could)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> This person would still have to endure a vote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> - chosen candidate vs. none of the above
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Takes 8 to win.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> I/we hate the idea of having to do this again, so I am hoping we can
>>>>> >>> find a way to just finalize this and move on.  especially since we
>>>>> >>> have Olga filling the spot while we discuss this, the hurry probably
>>>>> >>> isn't as great.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> We accept that this does not prejudice the Board seat election,
>>>>> >>> though must say that the NCSG generally accepts staying with
>>>>> >>> accepted language, i.e. the same process as is already accepted for the chair.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> a.
>
>
>

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>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wendy Seltzer [mailto:wendy at seltzer.org]
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 1:37 AM
> To: <john at crediblecontext.com>; Zahid Jamil; Brian Winterfeldt; petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu; Wolf-Ulrich.Knoben at t-online.de; onovoa at antel.com.uy; David Cake; mpazello at e-fem.net; Wolfgang Kleinwächter; Joy Liddicoat; Maria Farrell
> Subject: Vice Chair Elections
>
> Fellow Non-Contracted House Councillors,
>
> We left Toronto (missed you, Zahid and Joy!) without a clear resolution to the Vice Chair discussions for our House.  I think we need to resolve this among Council, since we're the ones who will have work closely together to make the Council function and our SG/constituency leaders seem to be at an impasse.
>
> The SG leaderships had previously agreed to two rotations of the Vice Chair position between the two SGs, one of which was completed between Mary and Wolf-Ulrich, and the second of which would then begin again with the Non-Commercial SG. So, can we conclude a nomination and vote quickly? Glen has offered to help us set up a ballot at any time.
>
> Best,
> --Wendy
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