[Latingp] character-based analysis

[Mirjana Tasić]

Dear Nebiye,

I am not willing to do anything what does not have the expected outcome at the end. It is necessary to be clear to me and every other member of the group what is the purpose of the task

“determining across 180 languages what representations of E exist”

I need to understand what are you  proposing to do with the data gotten as result from the quoted task. Does your vision lead to fulfillment of our task which is:

a.                  Development Code point inclusion criteria


Regards Mirjana

From: Textual Solutions <textualsolutions at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, May 26, 2017 at 10:43
To: Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic at rnids.rs>
Subject: Re: [Latingp] character-based analysis

Mirjana, thanks for your patience and the MSR2 links, I'm trying to figure out whaat the best possible method of work would be for the group members, say you've been assigned the task of determining across 180 languages what representations of E exist and we have È - É - Ê- Ë in MSR2.  So what would you do next?

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 9:34 PM, Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic at rnids.rs<mailto:Mirjana.Tasic at rnids.rs>> wrote:
Dear Nebiye,

I need some more clarification about the new process you are proposing.

Suppose we start working as you proposed, what we shall have at the end of the whole process which will last few months. We shall have a table in which will be all 180 languages with all letters from these languages without any connection to MSR2<https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2015-04-27-en> .  How this table can help us to finish our job?

MSR2 was produced by Integration Panel.  The purpose of our panel is to  check  weather all characters used by Latin languages are included in MSR2 and find also  which characters from MSR2 should be excluded because those characters are not in everyday use.

In our Proposal we promised that we shall do this as it was described in our Work Plan. We also decided to process 180 languages in the first round.

Link to MSR2 is

Maximal Starting Repertoire Version 2 (MSR-2) for the Development of Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone<https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2015-04-27-en>


Latin script is defined in the following part of MSR2.

MSR-2-Annotated-non-CJK-Tables-20150413<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-2-non-cjk-13apr15-en.pdf>

Regards Mirjana

From: <latingp-bounces at icann.org<mailto:latingp-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Textual Solutions <textualsolutions at gmail.com<mailto:textualsolutions at gmail.com>>
Date: Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 17:17
To: Latin GP <latingp at icann.org<mailto:latingp at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [Latingp] character-based analysis


thanks Mirjana and Mats for respective messages and comments, since there are 180 languages at the start and that's a big number to be looking at, even for a linguist, I suggest each member of our group should look at one character across all 180 languages and obtain/create/establish etc. the context for it.

25 May 2017 13:17 tarihinde "Mats Dufberg" <mats.dufberg at iis.se<mailto:mats.dufberg at iis.se>> yazdı:

1.  If not found we still do not know if it should be included or not.

2.  We have to return to all languages for characters that we have not found elsewhere.

3.  We have to investigate all characters in every language anyway to make to see if it has any combination of base character and combining mark.

For every character (or combination) that we want to include we should find evidence that it is used according to the principles. To have a firm ground we should not just register for one language, but for several, in case some language is excluded at a later stage or that evidence is found to be invalid.


Mats

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From: <latingp-bounces at icann.org<mailto:latingp-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Textual Solutions <textualsolutions at gmail.com<mailto:textualsolutions at gmail.com>>
Date: Thursday 25 May 2017 at 09:21
To: Latin GP <latingp at icann.org<mailto:latingp at icann.org>>
Subject: [Latingp] character-based analysis

Dear All,
Each member of the Rep. group may be invited to look at one character only across the languages listed. What do you think? Pls see sample attached and comment. Thanks.
NPK

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