[Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk?

Tue Sep 18 17:53:28 UTC 2018

Dear colleagues,

I would like to suggest that we leave out all our emotions. Discussions
around the LGR are a complex matter, and the GP is supposed to reflect
different views and reflect a certain level of diversity precisely to avoid
systemic bias and to find a balanced approach suiting all relevant
stakeholders, not just certain industries. I certainly see "good faith
efforts" in everyones contributions, but it is always difficult to
accurately reflect differing or even opposing views and to even become
aware of those differences. Therefore I find it important to voice all our
concerns and questions, even if some may not be shared by all members of
the GP. Finally there is no harm in being superflous or redundant in our
communcation with IP. It is part of their mandate to advice the GPs so
there time and efforts are covered for by ICANN.

Regarding the document, I think we have settled most issues, Mirjana,
except for some formatting issues. I only need to amend the final
paragraph, but I'm looking for some resources and I had asked Dennis again
to kindly help me find the resources I had commented on earlier - it is
about comments I made regarding hand-writing where I would like to have a
clear and written response by IP to settle that debate - also in my own
mind (Sorry to hold up things - but I get lost with the constant copying
and changing of documents. It completely breaks the chain of transmission
of knowledge and certain debates for me.)

Best wishes,

Meikal

On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 at 18:54, Bill Jouris <bill.jouris at insidethestack.com>
wrote:

> Dennis,
>
> I should not have allowed my irritation to descend into sarcasm.
>
> However, consider the following:
> - You crafted the initial page of the document.
> - Others of us added additional pages.  This was the first week of
> September.
> - Mirjana asked that we have final comment by Monday (yesterday)
> - Late Monday afternoon, you made edits which
> a) deleted everything not written by you
> b) substituted very different wording
>
> I just can't see that as a good-faith effort to be helpful.
>
> Bill Jouris
> Inside Products
> bill.jouris at insidethestack.com
> 831-659-8360
> 925-855-9512 (direct)
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka at verisign.com>
> *To:* "bill.jouris at insidethestack.com" <bill.jouris at insidethestack.com>; "
> Mirjana.Tasic at rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic at rnids.rs>; "latingp at icann.org" <
> latingp at icann.org>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 18, 2018 6:13 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP
> on :Diacritics below a security risk?
>
> Bill, I take issue with your last email. If anything, I was trying to be
> helpful and move things forward. Please note this document has been idle
> for the past week waiting to resolve the edits. If the revised version fell
> short of your expectations you are welcome to observe it, like everyone
> else.
>
> I also remind you that everyone is expected to behave in a professional
> manner.
>
> -Dennis
>
> *From: *Bill Jouris <bill.jouris at insidethestack.com>
> *Reply-To: *Bill Jouris <bill.jouris at insidethestack.com>
> *Date: *Monday, September 17, 2018 at 5:07 PM
> *To: *Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka at verisign.com>, "Mirjana.Tasic at rnids.rs"
> <Mirjana.Tasic at rnids.rs>, "latingp at icann.org" <latingp at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the
> response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk?
>
> Gosh, Dennis, what a blatant effort to make sure that the IP does not say
> something which would conflict with your preferred view!  I am in awe!
>
>
>
> I think what we had (before you ran wild just now) was just fine.  Not
> perfect, but something at would address the issues that several of us had.
>
>
>
> I STRONGLY urge that this last bunch of edits be rejected.
>
> Bill Jouris
> Inside Products
> bill.jouris at insidethestack.com
> 831-659-8360
> 925-855-9512 (direct)
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp at icann.org>
> *To:* "Mirjana.Tasic at rnids.rs" <Mirjana.Tasic at rnids.rs>; "
> latingp at icann.org" <latingp at icann.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 17, 2018 1:31 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP
> on :Diacritics below a security risk?
>
> Mirjana,
>
> I made some edits to the doc (in google docs) that may resolve the pending
> comments. Please review at your convenience.
>
> Thanks,
> Dennis
>
> *From: *Latingp <latingp-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Mirjana Tasić <
> Mirjana.Tasic at rnids.rs>
> *Date: *Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 8:24 AM
> *To: *Latin GP <latingp at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[EXTERNAL] [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the
> response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk?
>
> Dear GP members,
>
> We have to send our response to this letter from IP as soon as possible.
>
> Please find in the attachment the response I tried to compile.
>
> Your feedback is expected till Monday. We need IP response till our F2F
> meeting in Brussels.
>
> I cannot resolve now Meikal and Bill comments, although I have commented
> it in the document
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MHSRol829bhBdxBXpdmYe0uxm-NwJ-EQb3gbOGIFDsA/edit
>
>
> My comment was
>
> “I want to remind you that scope of our work is now MSR3. We shall see
> the IP response to this letter. Anyway some of you, who will be present in
> Barcelona, will have the opportunity to discuss everything with IP members
> during 75 minutes working session of the Latin GP with IP open for the
> community, tentatively on Monday 22 Oct.”
>
> Regards Mirjana
>
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