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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Paul,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your comments.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">1) I have asked ICANN staff to contact the IP about a clarification of the sentence.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">3) This GP is indeed only for the use of Latin in the root.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The original request for us to comment came from ICANN staff when the Armenian proposal was put up for public comment. Please find it below.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Chris.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">--<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Research Associate in Linguistic Computing, Centre for Digital Humanities, UCL, Gower St, London WC1E 6BT Tel +44 20 7679 1599 (int 31599)
<a href="http://www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon"><span style="color:#0563C1">www.ucl.ac.uk/dis/people/chrisdillon</span></a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Sarmad Hussain [<a href="mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org">mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 02 September 2015 07:25<br>
<b>To:</b> Dillon, Chris <<a href="mailto:c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk">c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk</a>>; Eric Brunner-Williams (<a href="mailto:ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net">ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net</a>) <<a href="mailto:ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net">ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Alireza Saleh <<a href="mailto:alireza.saleh@icann.org">alireza.saleh@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Request for comments by Latin GP on Root Zone LGR proposal by Armenian GP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear Chris and Eric,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">You may be aware that Armenian GP has completed its work and has released the final proposal for Root Zone LGR for the Armenian script. The proposal and its documentation
is available for public comments at <a href="https://www.icann.org/public-comments/proposal-armenian-lgr-2015-07-22-en">
https://www.icann.org/public-comments/proposal-armenian-lgr-2015-07-22-en</a> as a final step before its evaluation by IP and eventual integration into the Root Zone LGR.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In their proposal documentation they discuss homoglyph relations between Armenian and Latin scripts, listing the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">=======<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Sylfaen",serif">զ</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> U+0566 Armenian small letter ZA q U+0071 Latin small letter Q
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Sylfaen",serif">հ</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> U+0570 Armenian small letter HO h U+0068 Latin small letter H
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Sylfaen",serif">ո</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> U+0578 Armenian small letter VO n U+006E Latin small letter N
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Sylfaen",serif">ս</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> U+057D Armenian small letter SHE u U+0075 Latin small letter U
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Sylfaen",serif">ց</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> U+0581 Armenian small letter CO g U+0067 Latin small letter G
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Sylfaen",serif">ւ</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> U+0582 Armenian small letter YIWN ɩ U+0269 Latin small letter IOTA
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Sylfaen",serif">օ</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> U+0585 Armenian small letter OH o U+006F Latin small letter O
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Notes: The ARMENIAN SMALL LETTER ZA and the LATIN SMALL LETTER Q are not perfect homoglyphs but the difference may not be perceivable at normal size. A label, such as .</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Sylfaen",serif">զսօ</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
would be readily accepted by users as “the same” as the label .quo (in Latin). The ‘g’ homoglyph situation only exists in sans-serif style, which, however, is a very common choice for user interfaces. Armenian YIWN and Latin IOTA are considered homoglyphs
as their visual perception is quite similar. 6 The ARMENIAN LETTER YI and j U+006A LATIN SMALL LETTER J are not considered homoglyphs as “dot” changes the visual perception of the letter. That is why this case is not included into the cross-script variants.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We would request the Latin GP to kindly look at the Armenian proposal documentation and submit a public comment either supporting their proposal or suggesting any changes/additions
based on Latin GP point of view. The deadline for public comments is 30 Sept. We look forward to the response by Latin GP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sarmad<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Paul Hoffman [mailto:paul.hoffman@icann.org]
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<b>Sent:</b> 17 September 2015 16:03<br>
<b>To:</b> Dillon, Chris <c.dillon@ucl.ac.uk>; LatinGP@icann.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Eric Brunner-Williams <ebw@abenaki.wabanaki.net>; Alireza Saleh <alireza.saleh@icann.org>; Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Latingp] For consideration at LGP first meeting (Agenda point 4)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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1) "Finally, in investigating the possible variant relations, Generation Panels should ignore cases where the relation is based exclusively on aspects of visual similarity."</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">I think this may mean variant code point relations, but certainly needs clarifying.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Will the chairs ask the Integration Panel about that? Or do we as a GP need to formulate that message?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">If my understanding is correct it would mean that Latin o and the identical Armenian letter would not be declared universally as variant code points.</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Terms like "identical" are tricky. There is a character in the Armenian script called "Armenian small letter oh" that looks like an italicized "Latin small letter
o", but according to Dalby's "Dictionary of Languages", it is *not* the equivalent of the Latin small letter o"; instead, the "Armenian small letter vo" (which looks like an italicized superscripted n) is the equivalent of "Latin small letter o".<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">2) I shall save my comments on this point, as I would not want to influence people in a particular direction.</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">3) As you write, and also according to B.3.2 in the
<i>Procedure to develop and maintain the Label Generation Rules for the Root Zone in respect of IDNA labels</i>, mixed script labels at the Top Level currently seem unlikely. They do exist at lower levels, usually involving the Latin script or Arabic numerals
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sure, that could be. However, given that instruction to "ignore cases where the relation is based exclusively on aspects of visual similarity", that doesn't seem relevant. Worse, there are
numerous scripts that have characters that will look like a vertical line ("Latin small letter l") or a horizontal line ("hyphen minus" and "low line"). I would hope that each GP with such a character is not expected to communicate with every other GP to find
if they have such characters.</span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can we see the original request from the Armenian GP or from the Integration Panel? It would help us decide how best to respond.<o:p></o:p></p>
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