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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Inclusion of languages or code points?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">The only code points that we can include are the code points that we have confirmed to be used by languages according to the criteria, i.e. the language must be high enough on the
 EGIDS scale (low number) and the usage in some language should be contemporary and established. All other code points are excluded.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">The number of languages is high. That is a fact. The only way to reduce the number of languages is to move the border higher up in scale.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">My suggestion is that we should start working by taking the languages highest up on the scale (0-2) and get some experience from that. When we see what we get, we can move into languages
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><a href="https://www.ethnologue.com/about/language-status">https://www.ethnologue.com/about/language-status</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Yours,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Mats Dufberg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">Mobile: &#43;46 73 065 3899<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">https://www.iis.se/en/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Bill Jouris &lt;bill.jouris@insidethestack.com&gt;<br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Bill Jouris &lt;bill.jouris@insidethestack.com&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday 5 June 2017 at 17:38<br>
<b>To: </b>Mats Dufberg &lt;mats.dufberg@iis.se&gt;, &quot;ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com&quot; &lt;ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>Latin GP &lt;latingp@icann.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Latingp] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black">Given the enormous number of languages involved, perhaps it would be better to establish which ones will be
<i>included</i> at this time.&nbsp; That is, go for inclusion, rather than exclusion. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black">And then, separately, principles and processes for including the occasional additional codepoint, if a language which we did not get thru in this initial effort
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Inside Products<br>
bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<br>
831-659-8360<br>
925-855-9512 (direct)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> Mats Dufberg &lt;mats.dufberg@iis.se&gt;<br>
<b>To:</b> &quot;ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com&quot; &lt;ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com&gt; <br>
<b>Cc:</b> Latin GP &lt;latingp@icann.org&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 5, 2017 3:09 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Latingp] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black">Ahmed,</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black">If you start with MSR -- or actually MSR2 -- and try to find languages that support the inclusion of its code points you would never be able
 to confirm that no code points outside of MSR2 that are needed to support the languages that the Latin GP wants to support. I do not say that such code points will be included, but we should be aware of any limitation in the support of the languages that are
 claimed to be supported.</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black">If there is any code point in MSR2 not used by any language we would have to investigate every language anyway to confirm that the code point
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black">Besides the Latin code points there are non-spacing marks that are used in combination with Latin code points. Those combinations could have
 different status in language, either being considered to be a character on its own or being a modified character. In the repertoire that the Latin GP suggests that such non-spacing marks are limited to just those combinations that are really used in the languages
 that the group wants to support. To find those combinations we have to investigate all languages.</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black">Another aspect is that the method of going code point by code point in MS2 requires that we already know where to find what we are looking
 for. And when you start studying the material for a language, the hardest step can be to find sources and understanding what they say. After that it could be more straight forward to extract the characters. -- I do not claim that the task is simple. In my
 work for ICANN Pre-Delegation Testing, I have already done that. There are many grey areas, but that is our task to dig into.</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black">There is no other way than going through all the languages.</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black">Yours,</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">&lt;latingp-bounces@icann.org&gt; on behalf of Ahmed Bakhat via Latingp &lt;latingp@icann.org&gt;<br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>&quot;ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com&quot; &lt;ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 4 June 2017 at 15:35<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;textualsolutions@gmail.com&quot; &lt;textualsolutions@gmail.com&gt;, Mirjana Tasić &lt;Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs&gt;</span><span style="font-family:PMingLiU;color:black"><br>
</span><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Cc: </span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Latin GP &lt;latingp@icann.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Latingp] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black">I raised the issue during the to meeting work on Repertoire, as this group has yet not started its meetings, to devise principles for inclusion / exclusion,
 so ghat we should have solid grounds to include code points. Furthermore, some one has to present on behalf of the group, what we have done and what is the way forward.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black">Regarding my email containing draft principles, I wanted to communicate that before going for any strategy ( either inclusion of code ponits on the basis of
 language or on the basis of MSR) we should have principles for it. In my perception it would be easy to go for MSR is much easy as compared to languages, as it would take years to finish 180 languages.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:&quot;Helvetica Neue&quot;;color:black">It doesn't mean at all that we will start from zero, Marjina has already done most of the work, &nbsp;so we can quickly go through it and work on rest of the code
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