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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Ahmed,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Your inclusion principles read<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">>><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">2.1. Letter code point which is a letter and has established contemporary use in a language<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><<<o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">This is straight forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">>><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">2.2. Mark code point which represents a required mark, where at least one of the letters it forms has established contemporary use in a language<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><<<o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Firstly, I do not think that we want to include mark code points without contextual limitation, i.e. the combination of letter code point and mark or marks is what we want to include.
Secondly, the principle should be that the combination has an established use in a language, shouldn't it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">>><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">2.3. Code point which represents a combination of letters in a language which has established contemporary use, where at least one of the constituent letters cannot be represented
by a combination of letter code points and mark code points.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><<<o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Can you give an example of what you mean?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">>><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">2.4. Code point which represents a lexical word or phrase in a language, which has established contemporary use and cannot be decomposed into a sequence of code points representing
letter code points and mark code points.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><<<o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Can you give an example of what you mean?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">You have a third type of principles, "deferral principles". Deferred to when and what?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">You refer to "Language Table submitted by ccTLD in the context of IDNA2008 in the IANA repository". My experience is that the ccTLD IDN tables are mostly country based (i.e. supporting
multiple languages in a country) rather than language based.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Yours,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Mats<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Mats Dufberg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">DNS Specialist, IIS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Mobile: +46 73 065 3899<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">https://www.iis.se/en/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Ahmed Bakhat <ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday 3 June 2017 at 22:20<br>
<b>To: </b>Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs>, Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@iis.se>, Textual Solutions <textualsolutions@gmail.com>, Latin GP <latingp@icann.org>, Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Latingp] character-based analysis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Dear Mirjana and all group members of Repertoire sub group,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">I think first we have to focus on available characters under available Unicode charts for Latin Script, then we have to devise principles / rules for inclusion / exclusion / deffer, on the basis
of usage in different languages. After having a table, we have to look for the usage in language.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">I am attaching first draft of principles for Latin Script, available Unicode charts and MSR-2 documents, for start of the discussion of the group, thous 1st chart (0000 to 007F) does not need
any discussion as it is already in use as ASCII code.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue"">Ahmed Bakht <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">On Thursday, May 25, 2017, 7:49:47 PM GMT+5, Mirjana Tasić <Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#26282A">Dear Nebiye,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#26282A"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#26282A">I am trying to understand the idea behind your proposal. What is the purpose of looking for specific characters through all languages. Are you trying
to develop the Repertoire of all characters used in languages with Latin script for future processing?</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#26282A"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#26282A">Regards Mirjana</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@iis.se><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 12:17<br>
<b>To: </b>Textual Solutions <textualsolutions@gmail.com>, Latin GP <latingp@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Latingp] character-based analysis</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msolistparagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">1.
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">If not found we still do not know if it should be included or not.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msolistparagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">2.
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">We have to return to all languages for characters that we have not found elsewhere.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msolistparagraph"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">3.
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">We have to investigate all characters in every language anyway to make to see if it has any combination of base character and combining mark.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">For every character (or combination) that we want to include we should find evidence that it is used according to the principles. To have
a firm ground we should not just register for one language, but for several, in case some language is excluded at a later stage or that evidence is found to be invalid.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Mats</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Mats Dufberg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"> </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black"><latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Textual Solutions <textualsolutions@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday 25 May 2017 at 09:21<br>
<b>To: </b>Latin GP <latingp@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Latingp] character-based analysis</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Dear All,
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<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">Each member of the Rep. group may be invited to look at one character only across the languages listed. What do you think? Pls see sample
attached and comment. Thanks. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp4bebac40yiv4993754349msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A">NPK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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