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According to EGIDS scale either 1-2 (93 languages), 1-3 (134 languages), or 1-4 (180 languages). I would suggest to finish 1-2 then go on to 3- 4. <span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The 3 Latin EGIDS 0 languages (English, French, Spanish) are included in the 1 list<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:#006600'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:#006600'>Taking the MSR-2 tables as our starting pool, I see that there are already a number of code points ineligible from being used in the root zone (white and pink background), so our pool will be only characters with white background. (<i>recitation needed if pink background characters are to be included</i>)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:#006600'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:#006600'>Distributing the languages on members for analysis, I would suggest that each one goes through the characters of the language in hand, then makes a mark on each code point found in the MSR.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:#006600'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:#006600'>If any character is not found in the MSR, take a note to look after it later.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:#006600'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:#006600'>For every other language analyzing, if code point found already has a mark, go on to next character.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:#006600'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>6.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:#006600'>At the end by combining all marks of all languages inspected, I think we can consider that the repertoire consists of all marked code points.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;color:#006600'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>7.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:#006600'>Missing code points taken notes with should be decided what to do towards.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:#006600'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:#006600'>Any suggestions for handling combinations?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:#006600'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:#006600'>Welcoming your opinions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-bidi-font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:#006600'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:#38761D;mso-no-proof:yes'>Regards,</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#222222;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:#38761D;mso-no-proof:yes'>Hazem Hezzah</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#222222;mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:Arial;color:#006600'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> latingp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:latingp-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Jouris<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 05 June, 2017 18:19<br><b>To:</b> Mats Dufberg<br><b>Cc:</b> Latin GP<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Latingp] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496679092767_5208"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Pardon my ignorance -- being with the Variant group, I didn't realize that you folks in Repetoire were considering any other approach. <br style='mso-special-character:line-break'><![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br style='mso-special-character:line-break'><![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496679092767_5316"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><br style='mso-special-character:line-break'><![if !supportLineBreakNewLine]><br style='mso-special-character:line-break'><![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496679092767_5332"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Starting with the most used languages, and then working thru as many of the less used ones as time allows, seems like the obvious approach. Were you guys actually considering a different one?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496679092767_5207"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496679092767_5286"><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Bill <span class=SpellE>Jouris</span><br>Inside Products<br><a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</a><br>831-659-8360<br>925-855-9512 (direct)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1496679092767_5333"><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-outline-level:1;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> Mats <span class=SpellE>Dufberg</span> <<a href="mailto:mats.dufberg@iis.se">mats.dufberg@iis.se</a>><br><b>To:</b> Bill <span class=SpellE>Jouris</span> <<a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</a>> <br><b>Cc:</b> Latin GP <<a href="mailto:latingp@icann.org">latingp@icann.org</a>>; "<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 5, 2017 9:11 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Latingp] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yiv8179538059><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Bill,</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Inclusion of languages or code points?</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>The only code points that we can include are the code points that we have confirmed to be used by languages according to the criteria, i.e. the language must be high enough on the EGIDS scale (low number) and the usage in some language should be contemporary and established. All other code points are excluded.</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>The number of languages is high. That is a fact. The only way to reduce the number of languages is to move the border higher up in scale.</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>My suggestion is that we should start working by taking the languages highest up on the scale (0-2) and get some experience from that. When we see what we get, we can move into languages 3-4.</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><a href="https://www.ethnologue.com/about/language-status" target="_blank">https://www.ethnologue.com/about/language-status</a></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Yours,</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Mats</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>---</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Mats Dufberg</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>DNS Specialist, IIS</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Mobile: +46 73 065 3899</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><a href="https://www.iis.se/en/">https://www.iis.se/en/</a></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv8179538059yqt26570><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-outline-level:1;background:white'><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Bill <span class=SpellE>Jouris</span> <<a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>Bill <span class=SpellE>Jouris</span> <<a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Monday 5 June 2017 at 17:38<br><b>To: </b>Mats <span class=SpellE>Dufberg</span> <<a href="mailto:mats.dufberg@iis.se">mats.dufberg@iis.se</a>>, "<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>Latin GP <<a href="mailto:latingp@icann.org">latingp@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [<span class=SpellE>Latingp</span>] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9152"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Given the enormous number of languages involved, perhaps it would be better to establish which ones will be <i>included</i> at this time. That is, go for inclusion, rather than exclusion. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9230"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9249"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>And then, separately, principles and processes for including the occasional additional codepoint, if a language which we did not get thru in this initial effort requires it. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9151"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9054"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Bill <span class=SpellE>Jouris</span><br>Inside Products<br><a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</a><br>831-659-8360<br>925-855-9512 (direct)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9208"><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9106"><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9105"><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9104"><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9107"><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-outline-level:1;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> Mats <span class=SpellE>Dufberg</span> <<a href="mailto:mats.dufberg@iis.se">mats.dufberg@iis.se</a>><br><b>To:</b> "<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>> <br><b>Cc:</b> Latin GP <<a href="mailto:latingp@icann.org">latingp@icann.org</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 5, 2017 3:09 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Latingp] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9103"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div id=yiv8179538059><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9102"><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9101"><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9100"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Ahmed,</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9108"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9110"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>If you start with MSR -- or actually MSR2 -- and try to find languages that support the inclusion of its code points you would never be able to confirm that no code points outside of MSR2 that are needed to support the languages that the Latin GP wants to support. I do not say that such code points will be included, but we should be aware of any limitation in the support of the languages that are claimed to be supported.</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9111"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yui_3_16_0_1_1496676677798_9113"><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>If there is any code point in MSR2 not used by any language we would have to investigate every language anyway to confirm that the code point can be excluded.</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Besides the Latin code points there are non-spacing marks that are used in combination with Latin code points. Those combinations could have different status in language, either being considered to be a character on its own or being a modified character. In the repertoire that the Latin GP suggests that such non-spacing marks are limited to just those combinations that are really used in the languages that the group wants to support. To find those combinations we have to investigate all languages.</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Another aspect is that the method of going code point by code point in MS2 requires that we already know where to find what we are looking for. And when you start studying the material for a language, the hardest step can be to find sources and understanding what they say. After that it could be more straight forward to extract the characters. -- I do not claim that the task is simple. In my work for ICANN Pre-Delegation Testing, I have already done that. There are many grey areas, but that is our task to dig into.</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>There is no other way than going through all the languages.</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Yours,</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Mats</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>---</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Mats Dufberg</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>DNS Specialist, IIS</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Mobile: +46 73 065 3899</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><a href="https://www.iis.se/en/">https://www.iis.se/en/</a></span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> </span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id=yiv8179538059yqt89533><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-outline-level:1;background:white'><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><<a href="mailto:latingp-bounces@icann.org">latingp-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Ahmed <span class=SpellE>Bakhat</span> via <span class=SpellE>Latingp</span> <<a href="mailto:latingp@icann.org">latingp@icann.org</a>><br><b>Reply-To: </b>"<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Sunday 4 June 2017 at 15:35<br><b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:textualsolutions@gmail.com">textualsolutions@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:textualsolutions@gmail.com">textualsolutions@gmail.com</a>>, Mirjana <span class=SpellE>Tasić</span> <<a href="mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs">Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs</a>></span><span style='font-family:"PMingLiU","serif";color:black'><br></span><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Cc: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Latin GP <<a href="mailto:latingp@icann.org">latingp@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [<span class=SpellE>Latingp</span>] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>I raised the issue during the to meeting work on Repertoire, as this group has yet not started its meetings, to devise principles for inclusion / exclusion, so ghat we should have solid grounds to include code points. Furthermore, some one has to present on behalf of the group, what we have done and what is the way forward. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yMail_cursorElementTracker_1496582854178"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yMail_cursorElementTracker_1496582855830"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Regarding my email containing draft principles, I wanted to communicate that before going for any strategy ( either inclusion of code ponits on the basis of language or on the basis of MSR) we should have principles for it. In my perception it would be easy to go for MSR is much easy as compared to languages, as it would take years to finish 180 languages. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yMail_cursorElementTracker_1496583153992"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>It doesn't mean at all that we will start from zero, Marjina has already done most of the work, so we can quickly go through it and work on rest of the code points.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yMail_cursorElementTracker_1496583263450"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yMail_cursorElementTracker_1496583264597"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yMail_cursorElementTracker_1496583277810"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yMail_cursorElementTracker_1496583279115"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>Ahmed Bakht<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yMail_cursorElementTracker_1496583221039"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059yMail_cursorElementTracker_1496582787660"><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="yiv8179538059ymail_android_signature"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android" target="_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><blockquote style='margin-left:0cm;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:15.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>On Sun, 4 Jun 2017 at 3:52 pm, Textual Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><<a href="mailto:textualsolutions@gmail.com">textualsolutions@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid #6D00F6 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 15.0pt;margin-top:7.5pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Latingp mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Latingp@icann.org" target="_blank">Latingp@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id=yiv8179538059yqt22931><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Latingp mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Latingp@icann.org" target="_blank">Latingp@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica Neue";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>