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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Yes, as Mats suggests,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">>></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">
<span lang="EN-US">The IDN table that we are to propose will be script based, but with evidence that the code points (or sequence of code points) are in contemporary, everyday use of at least one language in the list of chosen languages.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">To add to Hazem’s point, in case of Arabic script, some letters are encoded in “duplicate”, and languages use either one or the other code of the
letter (e.g. 0643 and 06A9 for the letter Kaf). In such cases, Arabic script GP considered that the labels which mix the two versions of the same letter are not usable and therefore wrote rules to make such variant labels “blocked”.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards,<br>
Sarmad<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> latingp-bounces@icann.org [mailto:latingp-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Hazem Hezzah<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 07, 2017 12:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@iis.se>; Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'Latin GP' <latingp@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Latingp] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As far as I remember, in the Arabic script LGR we added a condition to have all codepoints in the label from the same language. Some way to avoid phishing.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Hazem Hezzah <br>
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- Sent from my mobile device -<o:p></o:p></p>
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Subject: Re: [Latingp] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017<br>
From: Mats Dufberg <br>
To: Bill Jouris <br>
CC: 'Latin GP' <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">No, the goal is not, as far as I understand, to restrict the combination of characters to match some language. I.e. it will be permitted to create a label with character
A and B, where A is only found in language a and B is only found in language b.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">The IDN table that we are to propose will be script based, but with evidence that the code points (or sequence of code points) are in contemporary, everyday use of at
least one language in the list of chosen languages.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Yours,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Mats<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Mats Dufberg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">DNS Specialist, IIS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Mobile: +46 73 065 3899<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><a href="https://www.iis.se/en/">https://www.iis.se/en/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><<a href="mailto:latingp-bounces@icann.org">latingp-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Bill Jouris <<a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Bill Jouris <<a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday 6 June 2017 at 20:11<br>
<b>To: </b>Hazem Hezzah <<a href="mailto:hhezzah.las@gmail.com">hhezzah.las@gmail.com</a>>, 'Latin GP' <<a href="mailto:latingp@icann.org">latingp@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Latingp] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">Are we planning on keeping track of which code points exist for which languages?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">I ask because it seems to me that one of the requirements for a name should be that all of the code points in it should exist
in some *single* language. That is, just because all of the code points exist in the total repertoire that doesn't mean the name should be acceptable.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">After all, the whole point of this exercise is to allow names in other languages. Not merely to expand the possible names as much as possible.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">Bill Jouris<br>
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<b>To:</b> 'Latin GP' <<a href="mailto:latingp@icann.org">latingp@icann.org</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 6, 2017 6:13 AM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">After going through this thread of messages, let me suggest the following approach as a start, with possibility to refine as we go on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">1.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">Decide which languages we will include in the first phase of repertoire building. According to EGIDS scale either 1-2 (93 languages), 1-3 (134 languages), or 1-4 (180 languages). I would
suggest to finish 1-2 then go on to 3- 4. The 3 Latin EGIDS 0 languages (English, French, Spanish) are included in the 1 list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">Taking the MSR-2 tables as our starting pool, I see that there are already a number of code points ineligible from being used in the root zone (white and pink background), so our pool will
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">Distributing the languages on members for analysis, I would suggest that each one goes through the characters of the language in hand, then makes a mark on each code point found in the
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">If any character is not found in the MSR, take a note to look after it later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">For every other language analyzing, if code point found already has a mark, go on to next character.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">At the end by combining all marks of all languages inspected, I think we can consider that the repertoire consists of all marked code points.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">Missing code points taken notes with should be decided what to do towards.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Jouris<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 05 June, 2017 18:19<br>
<b>To:</b> Mats Dufberg<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Latin GP<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Latingp] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">Pardon my ignorance -- being with the Variant group, I didn't realize that you folks in Repetoire were considering any other
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<b>To:</b> Bill <span class="yiv2018272829spelle">Jouris</span> <<a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com" target="_blank">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 5, 2017 9:11 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Latingp] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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i.e. the language must be high enough on the EGIDS scale (low number) and the usage in some language should be contemporary and established. All other code points are excluded.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">The number of languages is high. That is a fact. The only way to reduce the number of languages is to move the border higher up in
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">Yours,</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Jouris</span> <<a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com" target="_blank">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Bill <span class="yiv2018272829spelle">Jouris</span> <<a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com" target="_blank">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday 5 June 2017 at 17:38<br>
<b>To: </b>Mats <span class="yiv2018272829spelle">Dufberg</span> <<a href="mailto:mats.dufberg@iis.se" target="_blank">mats.dufberg@iis.se</a>>, "<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Latin GP <<a href="mailto:latingp@icann.org" target="_blank">latingp@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [<span class="yiv2018272829spelle">Latingp</span>] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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be able to confirm that no code points outside of MSR2 that are needed to support the languages that the Latin GP wants to support. I do not say that such code points will be included, but we should be aware of any limitation in the support of the languages
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</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black"><<a href="mailto:latingp-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">latingp-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Ahmed
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<b>Reply-To: </b>"<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 4 June 2017 at 15:35<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:textualsolutions@gmail.com" target="_blank">textualsolutions@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:textualsolutions@gmail.com" target="_blank">textualsolutions@gmail.com</a>>, Mirjana
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">I raised the issue during the to meeting work on Repertoire, as this group has yet not started its meetings, to devise principles for inclusion /
exclusion, so ghat we should have solid grounds to include code points. Furthermore, some one has to present on behalf of the group, what we have done and what is the way forward.
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