As far as I remember, in the Arabic script LGR we added a condition to have all codepoints in the label from the same language. Some way to avoid phishing.<br><br><br>Regards,<br>Hazem Hezzah <br><br>- Sent from my mobile device -<div class="quote" style="line-height: 1.5"><br><br>-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: [Latingp] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017<br>From: Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@iis.se><br>To: Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com><br>CC: 'Latin GP' <latingp@icann.org><br><br><br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns:mv="http://macVmlSchemaUri" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Bill,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">No, the goal is not, as far as I understand, to restrict the combination of characters to match some language. I.e. it will be permitted to create a label with character A and B,
where A is only found in language a and B is only found in language b.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">The IDN table that we are to propose will be script based, but with evidence that the code points (or sequence of code points) are in contemporary, everyday use of at least one language
in the list of chosen languages.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Yours,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Mats<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Mats Dufberg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">DNS Specialist, IIS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Mobile: +46 73 065 3899<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">https://www.iis.se/en/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black"><latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday 6 June 2017 at 20:11<br>
<b>To: </b>Hazem Hezzah <hhezzah.las@gmail.com>, 'Latin GP' <latingp@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Latingp] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">Are we planning on keeping track of which code points exist for which languages?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">I ask because it seems to me that one of the requirements for a name should be that all of the code points in it should exist in some *single* language. That
is, just because all of the code points exist in the total repertoire that doesn't mean the name should be acceptable.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">After all, the whole point of this exercise is to allow names in other languages. Not merely to expand the possible names as much as possible.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black">Bill Jouris<br>
Inside Products<br>
bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<br>
831-659-8360<br>
925-855-9512 (direct)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"> Hazem Hezzah <hhezzah.las@gmail.com><br>
<b>To:</b> 'Latin GP' <latingp@icann.org> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 6, 2017 6:13 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Latingp] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017</span><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">After going through this thread of messages, let me suggest the following approach as a start, with possibility to refine as we go on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">
</span><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">Decide which languages we will include in the first phase of repertoire building. According to EGIDS scale either 1-2 (93 languages), 1-3 (134 languages), or 1-4 (180 languages). I would suggest to
finish 1-2 then go on to 3- 4. The 3 Latin EGIDS 0 languages (English, French, Spanish) are included in the 1 list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">Taking the MSR-2 tables as our starting pool, I see that there are already a number of code points ineligible from being used in the root zone (white and pink background), so our pool will be only characters
with white background. (<i>recitation needed if pink background characters are to be included</i>)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">Distributing the languages on members for analysis, I would suggest that each one goes through the characters of the language in hand, then makes a mark on each code point found in the MSR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">If any character is not found in the MSR, take a note to look after it later.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">For every other language analyzing, if code point found already has a mark, go on to next character.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">At the end by combining all marks of all languages inspected, I think we can consider that the repertoire consists of all marked code points.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Jouris<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 05 June, 2017 18:19<br>
<b>To:</b> Mats Dufberg<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Latin GP<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Latingp] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017</span><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">Pardon my ignorance -- being with the Variant group, I didn't realize that you folks in Repetoire were considering any other approach.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">Starting with the most used languages, and then working thru as many of the less used ones as time allows, seems like the obvious approach. Were you guys actually
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<span class="yiv2018272829spelle">Dufberg</span> <<a href="mailto:mats.dufberg@iis.se" target="_blank">mats.dufberg@iis.se</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> Bill <span class="yiv2018272829spelle">Jouris</span> <<a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com" target="_blank">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</a>>
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<b>Cc:</b> Latin GP <<a href="mailto:latingp@icann.org" target="_blank">latingp@icann.org</a>>; "<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 5, 2017 9:11 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Latingp] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017</span><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">The only code points that we can include are the code points that we have confirmed to be used by languages according to the criteria, i.e. the
language must be high enough on the EGIDS scale (low number) and the usage in some language should be contemporary and established. All other code points are excluded.</span><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">The number of languages is high. That is a fact. The only way to reduce the number of languages is to move the border higher up in scale.</span><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">My suggestion is that we should start working by taking the languages highest up on the scale (0-2) and get some experience from that. When we
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Jouris</span> <<a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com" target="_blank">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Bill <span class="yiv2018272829spelle">Jouris</span> <<a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com" target="_blank">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday 5 June 2017 at 17:38<br>
<b>To: </b>Mats <span class="yiv2018272829spelle">Dufberg</span> <<a href="mailto:mats.dufberg@iis.se" target="_blank">mats.dufberg@iis.se</a>>, "<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Latin GP <<a href="mailto:latingp@icann.org" target="_blank">latingp@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [<span class="yiv2018272829spelle">Latingp</span>] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>To:</b> "<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 5, 2017 3:09 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Latingp] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017</span><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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confirm that no code points outside of MSR2 that are needed to support the languages that the Latin GP wants to support. I do not say that such code points will be included, but we should be aware of any limitation in the support of the languages that are
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black"><<a href="mailto:latingp-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">latingp-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Ahmed
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<b>Reply-To: </b>"<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com" target="_blank">ahmedbakhat@yahoo.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday 4 June 2017 at 15:35<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:textualsolutions@gmail.com" target="_blank">textualsolutions@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:textualsolutions@gmail.com" target="_blank">textualsolutions@gmail.com</a>>, Mirjana
<span class="yiv2018272829spelle">Tasić</span> <<a href="mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" target="_blank">Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Latin GP <<a href="mailto:latingp@icann.org" target="_blank">latingp@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [<span class="yiv2018272829spelle">Latingp</span>] Minutes from the call on May 30, 2017<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">I raised the issue during the to meeting work on Repertoire, as this group has yet not started its meetings, to devise principles for inclusion / exclusion, so
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">Regarding my email containing draft principles, I wanted to communicate that before going for any strategy ( either inclusion of code ponits on the basis of language
or on the basis of MSR) we should have principles for it. In my perception it would be easy to go for MSR is much easy as compared to languages, as it would take years to finish 180 languages. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black">It doesn't mean at all that we will start from zero, Marjina has already done most of the work, so we can quickly go through it and work on rest of the code points.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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