<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"><head><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml><o:OfficeDocumentSettings><o:AllowPNG/><o:PixelsPerInch>96</o:PixelsPerInch></o:OfficeDocumentSettings></xml><![endif]--></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:lucida console, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4346">Hello all.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4348"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4339" dir="ltr">I am writing about the letter "ǎ"of the line 22 of this table : <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Sj2moWEw4YFLFTcvsiRpjsQRyLZJ7SCnlF78OSYQg04/edit#gid=778535057" class="enhancr2_cb57343b-3d4f-0e16-cd4a-02bb79ec4339" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4656">Google Sheets - create and edit spreadsheets online, for free.</a></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4663"><br></div><div id="enhancr2_cb57343b-3d4f-0e16-cd4a-02bb79ec4339" class="yahoo-link-enhancr-card yahoo-link-enhancr-not-allow-cover ymail-preserve-class ymail-preserve-style" style="max-width:400px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;" data-url="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Sj2moWEw4YFLFTcvsiRpjsQRyLZJ7SCnlF78OSYQg04/edit#gid=778535057" data-type="yenhancr" data-category="article" data-embed-url="" data-size="medium" dir="ltr" contenteditable="false"> <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Sj2moWEw4YFLFTcvsiRpjsQRyLZJ7SCnlF78OSYQg04/edit#gid=778535057" style="text-decoration:none !important; color: #000 !important" class="yahoo-enhancr-cardlink" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4709"> <table class="card-wrapper yahoo-compose-table-card" style="max-width:400px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4708" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"> <tbody id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4707"><tr id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4706"> <td id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4705" width="400"> <table class="card-info yahoo-compose-table-card" style="background:#fff;max-width:400px;border:1px solid #e0e4e9;border-bottom:3px solid #3d79f7;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4704" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"> <tbody id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4703"><tr id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4702"> <td style="vertical-align:top;padding:16px 0 16px 12px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4701"> <img class="card-object-1 yahoo-ignore-inline-image ymail-preserve-class" src="https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/google.png" style="margin-top:3px;max-width:44px;" data-id="cc0e6ccd-21c6-2743-d14f-6edb7e9736a9" height="32"> </td> <td style="vertical-align:middle;padding:16px 12px;width:99%;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4927"> <h2 class="card-title" style="margin:0 0 4px 0;font-size:16px;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;word-break:break-word;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4926">Google Sheets - create and edit spreadsheets online, for free.</h2> <div class="card-description" style="font-size:11px;line-height:15px;color:#999;word-break:break-word;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4939">Create a new spreadsheet and edit with others at the same time -- from your computer, phone or tablet. Get stuff...</div> </td> <td class="card-share-container"></td> </tr> </tbody></table> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> </a></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4857"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4653">The comment says that it can be attested. <br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4789"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4947">In Kirundi, we do use this glyph in schools because there are homographies. <br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_5535"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_5342">In attachment, the document I have shared in Drophox. On page 6, there are some examples of Kirundi words having this glyph. <br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_5413"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_5414">Best<br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4248"><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4250"> </div><div class="signature" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513145829875_4284">NKURUNZIZA Jean Paul <br><br>TRAINER IN COMPUTING AND INTERNET POLICY<br><br> ISOC BURUNDI : VICE PRESIDENT <br><br>Réseau des Télécentres Communautaires du Burundi : Président<br><br> Burundi Youth Training Centre : Secrétaire Général <br><br> Skype : jpnkurunziz <br><br>
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Which would make it a "punctuation mark", would it not?<br clear="none"><div id="yiv3647185066yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513102197164_4581"><span></span></div><div id="yiv3647185066yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513102197164_4582"> </div><div class="yiv3647185066signature" id="yiv3647185066yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513102197164_4689">Bill Jouris<br clear="none">Inside Products<br clear="none">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<br clear="none">831-659-8360<br clear="none">925-855-9512 (direct)</div><div class="yiv3647185066qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv3647185066yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513102197164_4737"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3647185066yahoo_quoted" id="yiv3647185066yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513102197164_4678" style="display:block;"> <div id="yiv3647185066yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513102197164_4677" style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div id="yiv3647185066yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513102197164_4676" style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"> <div class="yiv3647185066yqt4871100503" id="yiv3647185066yqt07235"><div dir="ltr" id="yiv3647185066yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513102197164_4675"> <font id="yiv3647185066yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513102197164_4674" face="Arial" size="2"> </font><hr id="yiv3647185066yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1513102197164_4673" size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@iis.se> <br clear="none"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Latin GP <LatinGP@icann.org><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December 12, 2017 9:20 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Latingp] Tongan evidence for line 62 of Latin GP Code Points<br clear="none"> </div> <div class="yiv3647185066y_msg_container"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv3647185066"><div dir="ltr">Dear Mats,<div><br clear="none"></div><div>in the shared <span class="yiv3647185066" style="">Dropbox</span> I created a folder Tongan, which contains a file called "<span class="yiv3647185066" style="">tongan</span>-lg.<span class="yiv3647185066" style="">pdf</span>". On pages 14-15 you can find further details about the orthography. Long vowels are represented in Tongan <span class="yiv3647185066" style="">orthograpy</span> by use of a Macron ("long vowels, as in <span class="yiv3647185066" style="">màlò</span>"). Meanwhile definiteness is marked by stress, which is is written in Tongan using a rising accent ´ following the vowel ("The <span class="yiv3647185066" style="">fakamamafa</span> <span class="yiv3647185066" style="">pau</span> or <span class="yiv3647185066" style="">defi</span> <span class="yiv3647185066" style="">nitive</span> accent falls on the <span class="yiv3647185066" style="">fi</span> <span class="yiv3647185066" style="">nal</span> vowel of a word and designates <span class="yiv3647185066" style="">defi</span> <span class="yiv3647185066" style="">niteness</span>, as in <span class="yiv3647185066" style="">tangata</span> ́ (the man). An example of the difference that the <span class="yiv3647185066" style="">defi</span> <span class="yiv3647185066" style="">nitive</span> accent can make is this: ko e <span class="yiv3647185066" style="">tangata</span> means “a man” but ko e <span class="yiv3647185066" style="">tangata</span> ́ means “the man”.")</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Logically this leaves us with a sequence ā´, which should be confirmed by an expert on the language.<br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Meanwhile <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_language#Tongan_alphabet">Wikipedia</a> informs us that "Although the acute accent has been available on most personal computers from their early days onwards, when Tongan newspapers started to use computers around 1990 to produce their papers, they were unable to find, or failed to enter, the proper keystrokes, and it grew into a habit to put the accent after the vowel instead of on it: not á but a´. But as this distance seemed to be too big, a demand arose for Tongan fonts where the acute accent was shifted to the right, a position halfway in between the two extremes above. Most papers still follow this practice.".</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>This is why I commented this in column J "Possible variant of ā´ ". I hope this clarifies the situation.</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Best,</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><span class="yiv3647185066" style="">Meikal</span></div><span class="yiv3647185066gmail-file-modifier" style="font-size:12px;color:rgb(99,114,130);font-family:AtlasGrotesk, sans-serif;white-space:nowrap;"></span></div></div>_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Latingp mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Latingp@icann.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:Latingp@icann.org">Latingp@icann.org</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></div><div class="yqt4871100503" id="yqt12786">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Latingp mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Latingp@icann.org" href="mailto:Latingp@icann.org">Latingp@icann.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/latingp</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>