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<p class="MsoNormal">Bill,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think you are misunderstanding our mission and scope. The overarching scope is the Root Zone, this means Top Level Domains. These are not accepted every day, but in a very controlled manner. Processing a TLD request takes weeks, if not
months before it is delegated. Mechanical and manual reviews are part of the process of accepting a new TLD into the Root Zone. The Latin LGR for the Root Zone is just one piece in the process, it’s not a one-stop shop.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If we were talking about rules for lower levels in the DNS I would agree with you that different rules are needed. But this is not the scope of our task.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Dennis<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, January 5, 2018 at 11:06 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com>, Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@iis.se>, Michael Bauland <Michael.Bauland@knipp.de><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] Homoglyphs within Latin script<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black">I guess I have a rather different view of the answer to the question: What is the real world issue that we are
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black">I do not think it is: "How do we exactly conform to the narrowest interpretation of the requirements, so as to
allow the maximum number of registrations to start thru the process?" Rather it is: "How do we make the Internet, specifically the process of registering new domain names and of correctly identifying a domain name, work as well as possible for the public?"
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black">So anything which we KNOW will always end up rejected, and the schwa and turned e are a dramatic example, ought
to be included among the variants. Otherwise, when someone comes to register a new name, all they get is a delay while their submission gets a manual review.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black">A name which differs only by that one character will ALWAYS get rejected -- and we all know it. So what is gained,
for anyone, by requiring it to go thru a manual process? (OK, perhaps a company registering names can charge for each attempt that gets as far as the manual process. But nobody else has anything that I can see.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Latingp] Homoglyphs within Latin script</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black">On 1/5/18, 10:27 AM, "Mats Dufberg" <<a href="mailto:mats.dufberg@iis.se">mats.dufberg@iis.se</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black"> From: "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <<a href="mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com">dtantanaka@verisign.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black"> Date: Friday 5 January 2018 at 16:13<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black"> Subject: Re: [Latingp] Homoglyphs within Latin script<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black"> Hi Michael,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black"> They are not the same character. They look alike in lower case, but are different in upper case (i.e. disunification
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black"> On 05.01.2018 16:02, Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black"> > Thanks Mats.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black"> > A follow up question, is there evidence that these two code points are<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black"> > used interchangeably in the languages the repertoire team analyzed? I<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black"> > ask because the IP will ask for more evidence of a variant relationship<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black"> > besides visual appearance. Per the Procedure “Generation Panels should<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black"> > ignore cases where the relation is based exclusively on aspects of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",sans-serif;color:black"> > visual similarity”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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