<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1516927665629_25749">On the first point, I wasn't objecting. I was just failing to understand at that point. <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1516927665629_25629">Now that I do understand (I think) I have to say that I do not recall us deciding that a variant had to be regarded as interchangible in their language by a significant number of our users. I thought we were closer to "users will routinely not notice the difference." (But it does explain your previously inexplicable position that the schwa and the turned E were not variants.) <br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1516927665629_25583"><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1516927665629_25582"> </div><div class="signature" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1516927665629_25564">Bill Jouris<br>Inside Products<br>bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<br>831-659-8360<br>925-855-9512 (direct)</div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1516927665629_25707"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1516927665629_25553" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1516927665629_25552"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1516927665629_25551"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1516927665629_25550"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1516927665629_25563" size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org>; Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@iis.se>; Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, January 26, 2018 7:09 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Latingp] Cross-script analysis Armenian and Greek, and overview slides<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1516927665629_25724"><br><div id="yiv3867799735">
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1516927665629_25732">Bill, Mats</div>
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1516927665629_25774">Thanks for your feedback. I have carefully reviewed your input, so let me address each one of your points:</div>
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<li class="yiv3867799735MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;"><span style="">“I really do not understand what bullet 1 in slide 4 means. Please elaborate.” And “</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">I am
not clear what you are trying to say in point 1.”, this referring to Slide 4 as well.</span>
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<li class="yiv3867799735MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;">It refers to the principle by which this panel will determine variants sets for the Latin script, that is within-script variants. Specifically, “sufficiently universal” means that
whether certain characters are used as equivalents across an important majority of the languages using the Latin script.
</li><li class="yiv3867799735MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;">We received positive feedback from IP. Verbatim “The actual guiding principle (contained in the second paragraph of the document) appears to cover the important considerations and
will likely serve the GP well in arriving at at [sic] list of proposed candidate variants”</li><li class="yiv3867799735MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;">Both of you should be aware of this since you (Bill) presented and explained it during ICANN Abu Dhabi. Please review the panel presentation on slide 36.</li></ol>
</li><li class="yiv3867799735MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;">“<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">I do not believe that we actually agreed that only exact homoglyphs would be considered variants. I know that this is *your* view. I just
don't think is was anything resembling a consensus of the team. And conversations with the Integration Panel have made clear that it is not a mandate from them.”</span>
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<li class="yiv3867799735MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;"><span style="color:black;">These statements are inaccurate.</span></li><li class="yiv3867799735MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;">We agreed on the principles and applied it to the cross-script analysis of Latin-Cyrillic, which is now complete.</li><li class="yiv3867799735MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;">Not my view, but the requirement by which the IP expects this GP to do its work. On this, IP has consistently reminded this GP “the kinds of variants to be defined in the Root Zone
LGR are limited to homoglyphs, which are characters with essentially identical appearance by design, instead of merely similar appearance.” (IP Feedback to Latin GP, 22 March 2017). And “In the context of the Root Zone, the Procedure is quite clear in that
it considers simple similarity of appearance to be outside the scope of the Root Zone LGR.” (IP Feedback to Latin GP, 18 October 2017).</li></ol>
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal">Best,</div>
<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal">Dennis</div>
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Mats Dufberg <mats.dufberg@iis.se><br>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, January 26, 2018 at 4:14 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Dennis Tan Tanaka <dtantanaka@verisign.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com>, "latingp@icann.org" <latingp@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] Cross-script analysis Armenian and Greek, and overview slides</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"><span style="">Dennis,</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"><span style="">I have to second Bill. I really do not understand what bullet 1 in slide 4 means. Please elaborate.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"><span style="">And when it comes to variants, I also question the requirement. That requirement is not used for Chinese variants.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"><span style="">Mats</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Mats Dufberg</span></div>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Latingp <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Bill Jouris <bill.jouris@insidethestack.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday 25 January 2018 at 23:57<br>
<b>To: </b>"Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Latingp] Cross-script analysis Armenian and Greek, and overview slides</span></div>
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white;"><a rel="nofollow" name="_MailOriginalBody" href=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Hi Daniel,
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white;"><span style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">In the Armenian/Latin table, line 39 (Armenian Letter Keh) by BJ+ is a typo on
my part. Should be BJ- of course. Or BJ#, since there is no Latin equivalent given. Sorry</span></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white;"><span style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">I have a couple questions on Slide 4:</span></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white;"><span style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">1) I am not clear what you are trying to say in point 1.</span></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white;"><span style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">2) I do not believe that we actually agreed that only exact homoglyphs would
be considered variants. I know that this is *your* view. I just don't think is was anything resembling a consensus of the team. And conversations with the Integration Panel have made clear that it is not a mandate from them.</span></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white;"><span style=""><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;">Bill Jouris<br>
Inside Products<br>
bill.jouris@insidethestack.com<br>
831-659-8360<br>
925-855-9512 (direct)</span></span></div>
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"Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp@icann.org><br>
<b>To:</b> "Tan Tanaka, Dennis via Latingp" <latingp@icann.org> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 25, 2018 2:32 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Latingp] Cross-script analysis Armenian and Greek, and overview slides</span></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white;"><span style=""><span style="color:black;">Dear Latin GP variant team members,</span></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white;"><span style=""><span style="color:black;">Please find enclosed consolidated files for cross-script analysis for Armenian and Greek. We will
be using these files to finalize the work during our workshop.</span></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white;"><span style=""><span style="color:black;">Also, please review the slides and let me know if you have any feedback.</span></span></div>
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<div class="yiv3867799735MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:white;"><span style=""><span style="color:black;">Thank you,</span></span></div>
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