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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My opinion on this matter is the same as Meikal stated in this mail. We should make our own interpretation of rules and guidelines and stick to it. In the further discussion with IP we could modify our findings if there is enough reasons
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards Mirjana<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Latin GP <latingp-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Meikal Mumin <meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, May 31, 2018 at 10:00<br>
<b>To: </b>"Tan Tanaka, Dennis" <dtantanaka@verisign.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Latin GP <LatinGP@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Latingp] Variant cross-script analysis worksheets<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">personally, I think we should conduct our own data-driven analysis based on our own interpretation of the rules and guidelines, and then ask IP for a review. After all, we are the community and
it is our choice - they are only the ones to judge wether we meet the common criteria. That would be in line we the view they expressed, that the GPs are to guide IP.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">Best,<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On 31 May 2018 at 15:14, Tan Tanaka, Dennis <</span><a href="mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">dtantanaka@verisign.com</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">It would be helpful if we could get the IP to issue an statement on the points you are raising below.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">-Dennis<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Bill Jouris <</span></span><a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>"</span></span><a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">"
<</span></span><a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, May 30, 2018 at 5:24 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Dennis Tan Tanaka <</span></span><a href="mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">dtantanaka@verisign.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">>,
Meikal Mumin <</span></span><a href="mailto:meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">>,
Michael Bauland <</span></span><a href="mailto:Michael.Bauland@knipp.de" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Michael.Bauland@knipp.de</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">>,
Sarmad Hussain <</span></span><a href="mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">sarmad.hussain@icann.org</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Latin GP <</span></span><a href="mailto:LatinGP@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">LatinGP@icann.org</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] Variant cross-script analysis worksheets</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">And yet, in speaking with members of the IP (at San Juan), on the subject of the Least Astonishment Principle, what they said was "We are looking to the Generation Panels for guidance." <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">And said further (on the matter of the breve and caron) "When I am typing something that includes one of them, I have to copy and paste because I can't tell which I am lookIng at." In short, while the two diacritics
are clearly not identical, at least with sufficient magnification, as far as he was concerned there was no reason that they could not be classified by us as varients. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">What constitutes "identical in appearance" depends enormously on just how much magnification is assumed. The rationale for assuming anything larger than 12 point type is not at all obvious. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#6D00F6">On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Tan Tanaka, Dennis</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Meikal Mumin <</span></span><a href="mailto:meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">meikal.mumin@uni-koeln.de</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, May 29, 2018 at 10:14 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Bill Jouris <</span></span><a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">>,
Dennis Tan Tanaka <</span></span><a href="mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">dtantanaka@verisign.com</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">>,
Michael Bauland <</span></span><a href="mailto:Michael.Bauland@knipp.de" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Michael.Bauland@knipp.de</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">>,
Sarmad Hussain <</span></span><a href="mailto:sarmad.hussain@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">sarmad.hussain@icann.org</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Latin GP <</span></span><a href="mailto:LatinGP@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">LatinGP@icann.org</span></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"></span></a><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] Variant cross-script analysis worksheets</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">My conclusion is that it is more complex than reducing things to "</span>homoglyphs</span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">" but I do not
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<p class="m205254556420450350yiv4522631482msonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">On homoglyphs the Latin GP has received the following guidance from IP, in writing and verbally (during the Brussels workshop)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="m205254556420450350yiv4522631482msonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt">“In the context of the Root Zone, the Procedure is quite clear in that it considers simple similarity
of appearance to be outside the scope of the Root Zone LGR. In admitting exact homoglyphs, the IP has been making the argument that ‘e’ in Latin (U+0065) and ‘е’ in Cyrillic(U+0435) are not just visually indistinguishable, but that their distinct code points
effectively represent a disunification by script property.”</span></i></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"> – Email from IP to Latin GP of 18 October 2017 in response to our draft Principles for Inclusion and Exclusion
of Code Points in Latin Script for the Root Zone, and in particular to our Analysis of Variants in the Latin Script for the Root Zone.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="m205254556420450350yiv4522631482msonormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><i><span style="font-size:13.5pt">“The kinds of variants to be defined in the Root Zone LGR are limited to homoglyphs, which are characters
with essentially identical appearance by design, instead of merely similar appearance.”</span></i></span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:13.5pt"> – Integration Panel feedback to Latin GP proposal of 22 March 2017.</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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