<div dir="ltr">Dear colleagues,<div><br></div><div>I would like to suggest that we leave out all our emotions. Discussions around the <span class="" id=":1wt.1" tabindex="-1" style="">LGR</span> are a complex matter, and the GP is supposed to reflect different views and reflect a certain level of diversity precisely to avoid systemic bias and to find a balanced approach suiting all relevant stakeholders, not just certain industries. I certainly see "good faith efforts" in everyones contributions, but it is always difficult to accurately reflect differing or even opposing views and to even become aware of those differences. Therefore I find it important to voice all our concerns and questions, even if some may not be shared by all members of the GP. Finally there is no harm in being <span class="" id=":1wt.2" tabindex="-1" style="">superflous</span> or redundant in our <span class="" id=":1wt.3" tabindex="-1" style="">communcation</span> with <span class="" id=":1wt.4" tabindex="-1" style="">IP</span>. It is part of their mandate to advice the <span class="" id=":1wt.5" tabindex="-1" style="">GPs</span> so there time and efforts are covered for by <span class="" id=":1wt.6" tabindex="-1" style="">ICANN.</span></div><div><br></div><div>Regarding the document, I think we have settled most issues, <span class="" id=":1wt.7" tabindex="-1" style="">Mirjana, except for some formatting issues.</span> I only need to amend the final paragraph, but I'm looking for some resources and I had asked Dennis again to kindly help me find the resources I had commented on earlier - it is about comments I made regarding hand-writing where I would like to have a clear and written response by <span class="" id=":1wt.9" tabindex="-1" style="">IP</span> to settle that debate - also in my own mind (Sorry to hold up things - but I get lost with the constant copying and changing of documents. It completely breaks the chain of transmission of knowledge and certain debates for me.)</div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,</div><div><br><span class="" id=":1wt.10" tabindex="-1" style="">Meikal</span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 at 18:54, Bill Jouris <<a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="m_5649823050170226328yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1537287942750_8376"><span>Dennis, <br></span></div><div id="m_5649823050170226328yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1537287942750_8381"><span><br></span></div><div id="m_5649823050170226328yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1537287942750_8438"><span id="m_5649823050170226328yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1537287942750_8437">I should not have allowed my irritation to descend into sarcasm. <br></span></div><div id="m_5649823050170226328yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1537287942750_8439"><span><br></span></div><div><span>However, consider the following: <br></span></div><div id="m_5649823050170226328yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1537287942750_8548"><span>- You crafted the initial page of the document. <br></span></div><div><span>- Others of us added additional pages.  This was the first week of September. <br></span></div><div dir="ltr"><span>- Mirjana asked that we have final comment by Monday (yesterday) <br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_5649823050170226328yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1537287942750_8549"><span>- Late Monday afternoon, you made edits which <br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_5649823050170226328yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1537287942750_8550"><span>a) deleted everything not written by you</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_5649823050170226328yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1537287942750_8551"><span>b) substituted very different wording</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_5649823050170226328yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1537287942750_8552"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="m_5649823050170226328yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1537287942750_8553"><span id="m_5649823050170226328yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1537287942750_8554">I just can't see that as a good-faith effort to be helpful.   </span></div><div id="m_5649823050170226328yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1537287942750_8555"> </div><div class="m_5649823050170226328signature" id="m_5649823050170226328yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1537287942750_8559">Bill Jouris<br>Inside Products<br><a href="mailto:bill.jouris@insidethestack.com" target="_blank">bill.jouris@insidethestack.com</a><br>831-659-8360<br>925-855-9512 (direct)</div><div class="m_5649823050170226328qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="m_5649823050170226328yahoo_quoted" style="display:block">  <div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-w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<div class="m_5649823050170226328yiv4642086849MsoNormal">Bill, I take issue with your last email. If anything, I was trying to be helpful and move things forward. Please note this document has been idle for the past week waiting to resolve the edits. If the revised version fell short of your
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, September 17, 2018 at 5:07 PM<br clear="none">
<b>To: </b>Dennis Tan Tanaka <<a href="mailto:dtantanaka@verisign.com" target="_blank">dtantanaka@verisign.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" target="_blank">Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs</a>" <<a href="mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" target="_blank">Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs</a>>, "<a href="mailto:latingp@icann.org" target="_blank">latingp@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:latingp@icann.org" target="_blank">latingp@icann.org</a>><br clear="none">
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk?</span></div> 
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<b>To:</b> "<a href="mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" target="_blank">Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs</a>" <<a href="mailto:Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs" target="_blank">Mirjana.Tasic@rnids.rs</a>>; "<a href="mailto:latingp@icann.org" target="_blank">latingp@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:latingp@icann.org" target="_blank">latingp@icann.org</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 17, 2018 1:31 PM<br clear="none">
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk?</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black"></span></div> 
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<b>Date: </b>Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 8:24 AM<br clear="none">
<b>To: </b>Latin GP <<a href="mailto:latingp@icann.org" target="_blank">latingp@icann.org</a>><br clear="none">
<b>Subject: </b>[EXTERNAL] [Latingp] ACTION NEEDED: New version of the response to IP on :Diacritics below a security risk?</span></div> 
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 is now MSR3. We shall see the IP response to this letter. Anyway some of you, who will be present in Barcelona, will have the opportunity to discuss everything with IP members during 75 minutes working session of the Latin GP with IP open for the community,
 tentatively on Monday 22 Oct.”</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:HelveticaNeue;color:black"></span></div> 
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