<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Dear Maureen,</div><div><br><div>Bravo for the excellent draft. We might need to explain more the definition of ALAC status. Will it be the same to just be present at meetings than be present and participate? The answer is NO but let me ask more questions. Does participate mean having something to say even if that is just "I agree" ? Should participants need to say something any how to be considered? Does significant attendance mean you attend X meetings + at least 2X comments?</div><div><br></div><div>I just want to better understand the logic.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you,</div><div><br></div>Fatimata Seye Sylla<div>Sent from my iPad</div></div><div><br>On 4 nov. 2013, at 15:10, "Maureen Hilyard" <<a href="mailto:hilyard@oyster.net.ck">hilyard@oyster.net.ck</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thank you Silvia for those words of comfort… <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I am very sure that everyone has been extremely busy getting over the IGF and preparing for BA , and no doubt they are already busily discussing the issues among themselves </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It is not an easy topic to be raising, I completely understand. But we are all accountable and the ICANN bean-counters will be wanting to ensure that they are getting their money’s worth, even from the volunteers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Perhaps we will get more feedback from the combined team in BA.. the Secs will already have enough to discuss at their meeting on Friday, but if I can just give a short pitch about the responsibility that has been thrust upon me, then that would be great.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">M<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Silvia Vivanco [mailto:silvia.vivanco@icann.org] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 4 November 2013 9:01 a.m.<br><b>To:</b> Maureen Hilyard; ICANN At-Large Staff; 'METRICS '<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Metrics.SC] Meeting invitation/ At-Large Metrics call - Thursday 07 November 2013- RALOs lack of feedback <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-PE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dear Maureen,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-PE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The lack of feedback to your comments may also be a result of the IGF meeting, where many RALO Leaders were present. I sent your comments to the RALO Secretariat’s mailists last week and had no reaction. (see below) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I would suggest that you bring up this in the RALO Secretariat’s meeting in Buenos Aires (most likely to be this coming Friday). I am contacting RALO leaders via Skype to see if we can get them to attend the next RALO Sec calls this coming Friday.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Please accept my Skype request for friendship so we can set up 3 way Skype chats with RALO Leaders so that they come prepared to discuss metrics in Buenos Aires. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Silvia<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Silvia Vivanco</span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Manager, At-Large Regional Affairs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Telephone: + 1 (202) 570-7119<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Fax: +1 (202) 789-0104<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Cell/Mobile: +1 (202) 735-7011<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-PE" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:metrics.sc-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">metrics.sc-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:metrics.sc-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">mailto:metrics.sc-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Maureen Hilyard<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 03, 2013 4:44 AM<br><b>To:</b> ICANN At-Large Staff; 'METRICS '<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Metrics.SC] Meeting invitation/ At-Large Metrics call - Thursday 07 November 2013<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-PE"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I tried to include a comment on the Metrics workspace but although I couldn’t get the editor to load I was able to create a new page.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I wanted to put something forward for discussion and feedback and have used the ALS model which someone very kindly set up on the “ALS Metrics Should do” page. I also based it on the new ALAC ROPS Section 9. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I would like some feedback on whether it is appropriate to propose it to the RALO Secretariat. Despite leaving messages on their workspace and asking for some feedback, I have had nothing. Their last week’s meeting was cancelled. I’m wondering if perhaps they would prefer something to pick on in order to get a reaction.. and I’m quite happy to propose something that will hopefully at least get them talking.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Anyway for those who would like to check out what I’ve been working on. Its on: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ALAC+Could+do+workspace+-+ALAC+Metrics+-+discussion">https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ALAC+Could+do+workspace+-+ALAC+Metrics+-+discussion</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060">(just another page to add to the system… I would rather have had a link that started off with <a href="https://community.icann.org/AtLarge/METRICS.SC/">https://community.icann.org/AtLarge/METRICS.SC/</a>… so we could all find our Metrics pages more easily).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#002060">Maureen</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#002060"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:metrics.sc-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">metrics.sc-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:metrics.sc-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">mailto:metrics.sc-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>ICANN At-Large Staff<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 1 November 2013 9:49 a.m.<br><b>To:</b> METRICS <br><b>Subject:</b> [Metrics.SC] Meeting invitation/ At-Large Metrics call - Thursday 07 November 2013<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Dear 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