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<div style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif">Thanks for the update Satish.<br><br>Please forward the copy of the same to me for my review and records.<br><br>Also confirm whether the same is the final approved version and are you ok with the same?<br>
<br>Rgds,<br>Nirmol<br><br>Sent from my Windows Phone</div></div>
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<span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-WEIGHT:bold">From: </span><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:director@icfoss.in">Satish Babu</a></span><br><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Sent: </span><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif">30-11-2013 20:47</span><br>
<span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-WEIGHT:bold">To: </span><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:admin@jurisonline.in">Jurisonline in</a></span><br><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif;FONT-WEIGHT:bold">Cc: </span><span style="FONT-SIZE:11pt;FONT-FAMILY:Calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com">Fouad Bajwa</a>; <a href="mailto:apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org">APRALO</a>; <a href="mailto:metrics.sc@atlarge-lists.icann.org">METRICS</a></span><br>
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<div><div>Hi Nirmol<br></div>On the first point, I have carried back a bunch of printed Hindi brochures with me from Buenos Aires. I can send them to you (or Heidi can send you some).<br><br></div><div>I agree that it is important to communicate better amongst us. The next two meetings (Singapore and London) are both going to see the APRALO ALSes come together, so this is a good time to put things in order.<br>
<br><br><br></div><div><br><br><br><br></div>satish<br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Jurisonline in <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:admin@jurisonline.in" target="_blank">admin@jurisonline.in</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I concur with Fouad, There was a resolution passed in the APRALO meeting<br>
(in Beijing) to publish the APRALO brochure in Hindi. I even got the first<br>
cut draft of the same on which me and other ALSes from India gave their<br>
comments.... but thereafter inspite of my repeated reminders to APRALO<br>
staff and members no action have been to taken to finalise the Hindi draft<br>
of the brouchure till date.<br>
<br>
Also I have been advocating shifting the monthly calls of APRALO to weekend<br>
(in order to allow us to be able to attend these calls more frequently,<br>
since we are working professionals and it becomes difficult to focus on<br>
APRALO during our regular working days), but no action has been taken on<br>
the same till date. Unfortunately these calls get fixed as per the<br>
convenience of limited few, who also run the agenda for the calls, thus a<br>
very limited group dragging the entire agenda of APRALO.<br>
<br>
I am happy that this group now is looking into the practical aspects of<br>
resolving inefficiencies in the group and I congratulate them on the same.<br>
<br>
Three cheers!!!<br>
Regards<br>
Nirmol K Agarwal<br>
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On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Fouad Bajwa <<a href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I believe one of the most important metrics component should be built<br>
> on the fact that if a member suggests something, how many of those<br>
> suggestions were actually accepted and incorporated into the system.<br>
><br>
> One small example is that I've proposed individual membership in the<br>
> past during 2010, created the paperwork suggesting the policy reform<br>
> in the APRALO articles, presented it and then silence. This would have<br>
> enhanced participation, inclusion of more productive talent and people<br>
> that are sensitive about ICANN and IG related issues. Such talent thus<br>
> has to move under a narrower scope into the ncuc/ncsg and APRALO loses<br>
> out.<br>
><br>
> Somehow the belief that only groups can represent the rights of the<br>
> users is a fantasy. For example, in the technical community and most<br>
> in ISOC circles, most of the members in a recognized ALS are not<br>
> actually CS or information rights activists but people with corporate<br>
> day jobs and of companies that actually should fall under contracted<br>
> parties ac/oc's in ICANN.<br>
><br>
> The value that comes into such an organizational system are actually<br>
> the members, the system itself cannot come up with ideas and transform<br>
> the ideas into workable actions.<br>
><br>
> Participation collapses when member ideas are not viewed as valuable<br>
> input and organizations that don't believe in agility to change and<br>
> adapt to round the clock innovation and improvements basically fall<br>
> short on rationality for existence and support in the future.<br>
><br>
> If the participation in meetings and tele-cons are an evaluative<br>
> criteria for calculating value for money, something is seriously wrong<br>
> with ICANN and the people who are attempting to address such issues by<br>
> adopting such a weak and lame course of action.<br>
><br>
> KPIs are measured against activities and participation in telecons and<br>
> meetings are not such an input or expected outcome.<br>
><br>
> The indicators can be established on a the basis of number of members<br>
> present and number of comments, suggestions and recommendations<br>
> received during any calls/meetings and the actions were taken on them.<br>
> The second level would be number of policy comments requested by ICANN<br>
> and the number of members that voted on them, the time taken to make<br>
> comments or recommendations, total number of policy requests for<br>
> comments and number of comments made to policy requests.<br>
><br>
> Its actually a very simple and straightforward thing. List down all<br>
> the things that ALAC and its members do. Against those activities a<br>
> scorecard can be developed and benchmarked against other AC/OC work.<br>
><br>
> I'll think more about this.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Rinalia Abdul Rahim<br>
> <<a href="mailto:rinalia.abdulrahim@gmail.com">rinalia.abdulrahim@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> > Hello everyone.<br>
> ><br>
> > I like Ali's input on metrics about leadership of Working Groups for ALAC<br>
> > members. I would also suggest co-chairing of WG between an ALAC Member<br>
> and<br>
> > an At-Large community member. This will help build collaborative skills<br>
> and<br>
> > capacity along the way.<br>
> ><br>
> > Best regards,<br>
> ><br>
> > Rinalia<br>
> > On Nov 27, 2013 11:17 PM, "Maureen Hilyard" <<a href="mailto:hilyard@oyster.net.ck">hilyard@oyster.net.ck</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> Thank you Ali. This breadth of feedback is very much appreciated.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Maureen<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> From: Ali AlMeshal [mailto:<a href="mailto:dralialmeshal@gmail.com">dralialmeshal@gmail.com</a>]<br>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2013 12:45 a.m.<br>
> >> To: Maureen Hilyard<br>
> >> Cc: Karaitiana Taiuru; APRALO; METRICS<br>
> >> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] METRICS<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Good day Maureen,<br>
> >><br>
> >> First of all we have always to but in mind as your correctly stated<br>
> that<br>
> >> this is a volunteer work from the members, but on the other hand I do<br>
> agree<br>
> >> that up to certain extent there should be a fair KPI’s in place to<br>
> evaluate<br>
> >> the performance of ALAC members.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Also I am quite sure that selected or nominated ALAC members for these<br>
> >> leadership positions were based on their knowledge , commitment and<br>
> >> experience as well as high performance otherwise they will not be part<br>
> of<br>
> >> the team.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Hence measuring criteria would always be much clearer and effective<br>
> if<br>
> >> it<br>
> >> is set for Quantitative factors rather than Qualitative once.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> So having said that then I would like to address the following:<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> o Attending meetings by it self is not a goal or objective therefore<br>
> it<br>
> >> can not be part of the measuring criteria independently.<br>
> >><br>
> >> o Also participation and contribution to the meeting discussion can<br>
> not<br>
> >> be<br>
> >> evaluated as a performance measure<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Thereafter to have a process in place that gives an indication of the<br>
> >> member performance I would suggest the following<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> o ALAC members should be assigned to Chair a WG’s<br>
> >><br>
> >> § With this type of assignment the member will logically be accountable<br>
> >> and<br>
> >> responsible of a set deliverables that he/she have to achieve, and this<br>
> >> can<br>
> >> be measured and evaluated for the following set of KPI’s<br>
> >><br>
> >> · Time to deliver<br>
> >><br>
> >> · Commitment<br>
> >><br>
> >> · Team working<br>
> >><br>
> >> · Developing others (member of the group)<br>
> >><br>
> >> · Others<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> o ALAC members and chair of RALO’s jointly should be responsible for<br>
> >> engaging the ALS’s in work and activities related to the rejoin at least<br>
> >> and<br>
> >> should provide a monthly call report on this.<br>
> >><br>
> >> § This is different activity from the RALO monthly call; this should be<br>
> >> done separately to reach out the ALS’s through a pre-plan agenda and<br>
> time<br>
> >> frame.<br>
> >><br>
> >> § The objective is to get in touch with ALS’s members outside the<br>
> >> official<br>
> >> call and tries to understand their needs and requirements and also will<br>
> be<br>
> >> a<br>
> >> good tool maybe to get them engage in if they are not active. So this is<br>
> >> more of OUTREACH on a small scale and more of direct communication.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Should you need any clarification then please let me know by email or a<br>
> >> call, I will be more than happy to discuss.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Maureen Hilyard <<a href="mailto:hilyard@oyster.net.ck">hilyard@oyster.net.ck</a><br>
> ><br>
> >> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> Thank you KT for your comments and suggestions. These are all very<br>
> helpful.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Regards<br>
> >> Maureen<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> -----Original Message-----<br>
> >> From: <a href="mailto:apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
> >> [mailto:<a href="mailto:apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
> >><br>
> >> Karaitiana Taiuru<br>
> >> Sent: Monday, 25 November 2013 12:12 p.m.<br>
> >> To: 'APRALO'<br>
> >> Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] METRICS<br>
> >><br>
> >> These are my thoughts based on not been an ALAC member (nor do I have<br>
> time<br>
> >> to).<br>
> >><br>
> >> I would support a more closer monitoring approach to the ALAC<br>
> performance<br>
> >> review and would like to see the evaluations distributed to the relevant<br>
> >> RALO's as we are the ones who nominate and put our trust in our<br>
> >> representatives to provide our views and then to report back to us.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I would expect that participation in all meetings, emails and Work<br>
> Groups<br>
> >> would be at the very minimum 90%. There are so many issues at present it<br>
> >> would be hard not to have a voice at a meeting.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Saying this, I would also expect that any new ALAC appointments are<br>
> >> mentored<br>
> >> and giving an appropriate transition period and were made to feel<br>
> >> comfortable to ask for help. Some cultural and language barriers may<br>
> also<br>
> >> exist and should be considered.<br>
> >><br>
> >> If people are under-performing, then perhaps a mechanism of someone<br>
> talking<br>
> >> to them in a non threating manner to see if there is any assistance<br>
> >> required<br>
> >> etc.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Perhaps too, some way of recognition for the long hours and dedication<br>
> may<br>
> >> also be a motivation. This is likely to be more of a RALO initiative<br>
> >> though.<br>
> >><br>
> >> -----Original Message-----<br>
> >> From: <a href="mailto:apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
> >> [mailto:<a href="mailto:apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">apac-discuss-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
> Maureen<br>
> >> Hilyard<br>
> >> Sent: Sunday, 24 November 2013 5:52 p.m.<br>
> >> To: APRALO<br>
> >> Subject: [APAC-Discuss] METRICS<br>
> >><br>
> >> APRALO colleagues<br>
> >><br>
> >> As Siranush had informed you already, I am on a working group (headed by<br>
> >> Cheryl Langdon-Orr) that is looking at measuring the performance of<br>
> ALAC<br>
> >> members (as expected in the ALAC Rules of Procedure). We are later to be<br>
> >> looking at ALSes and RALOs.<br>
> >><br>
> >> It is an extremely difficult thing to do when:<br>
> >> * the people in these positions are volunteers who have offered to do<br>
> this<br>
> >> work out of the goodness of their hearts - how do you measure their<br>
> >> contribution to a task that has been set?<br>
> >> * the Board and Management are becoming more vocal about getting value<br>
> for<br>
> >> money spent within the system - it costs a lot of money to bring the<br>
> >> committees of the ICANN system together for each meeting. three times a<br>
> >> year. They rightfully want to know that they are getting their money's<br>
> >> worth.<br>
> >> * it is very difficult to ascertain what METRICS are appropriate to<br>
> measure<br>
> >> each particular type of performance (attendance? contribution? value of<br>
> >> contribution? others?)<br>
> >><br>
> >> As ALSes you elect your APRALO representatives on the ALAC (me and<br>
> Holly)<br>
> >> and although Raf has been appointed to the ALAC as and APRALO NOMCOM<br>
> >> candidate - the expectations should be the same.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Therefore I'd really like to hear not only about WHAT performance<br>
> criteria<br>
> >> should be evaluated but also HOW it might be appropriately measured. I<br>
> >> would<br>
> >> like to use the advice of the ALSes to put together an evaluative<br>
> process<br>
> >> which could help us evaluate all the groups we have been tasked to<br>
> >> evaluate.<br>
> >><br>
> >> This is what we are looking at, at the moment:<br>
> >><br>
> >> 1. Do ALAC members attend all the meetings they should? Some attend the<br>
> >> face to face meetings, but not the online meetings. ICANN is not<br>
> looking at<br>
> >> these candidates very favourably.<br>
> >><br>
> >> 2. Do ALAC members who attend the meetings actually contribute anything<br>
> to<br>
> >> the meetings? Some attend meetings but they don't say anything - what<br>
> value<br>
> >> do they give? Some log into teleconference meetings, but because they<br>
> don't<br>
> >> contribute anything, it is difficult to know whether they actually<br>
> >> listening?)<br>
> >><br>
> >> 3. Do ALAC members participate on working groups? We have lots of<br>
> members<br>
> >> who volunteer for a working group, and never turn up for meetings to do<br>
> the<br>
> >> work. Its the same people every time doing the work .<br>
> >><br>
> >> There may be other questions you may want to ask. Please do...<br>
> >><br>
> >> Very importantly, HOW can we more effectively evaluate performance -<br>
> what<br>
> >> do<br>
> >> you use in your workplace?<br>
> >><br>
> >> Let me know.. I'd love to hear from you.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Maureen<br>
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> >><br>
> >> --<br>
> >><br>
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> >><br>
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> --------------------------<br>
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