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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you Kim, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The rough notes are included below. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Steve<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Agenda: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1">
<li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l13 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Welcome and introductions<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l13 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Administrative matters<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l13 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Definition of Name Collisions<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l13 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Review of Study 1<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l13 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Discussion of SubPro letter to the ICANN Board<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l13 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Review of timeline, overall project plan and other logistics<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l13 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Next steps<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l13 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">AOB<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l13 level1 lfo1;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Adjournment<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">High level summary notes: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Welcome and Introductions: </span></u><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Since the last meeting, the following people joined NCAP. Brantly Milligan (observer), Tom Barrett (observer), and Greg Shatan ( from observer to member). <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">ICANN org chose Scarfone Cybersecurity (<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.scarfonecybersecurity.com&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=O16Ko7V_SvDE5jZHxFQsUEzduEwmIp0AxPl2Gzy-KTc&m=eqFyw3ooEUMxC0eoOtIuSncHKbzKvsMcgU6as0-I6CM&s=pb6yYvQ_uZqZ2cwwbMXYQScJn7csmaKbLF95VU_zM4s&e="><span style="color:#1155CC">https://www.scarfonecybersecurity.com
[scarfonecybersecurity.com]</span></a>), whose principal is Karen Scarfone, as the contractor for Study 1. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Administrative Matters</span></u><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">There will be face-to-face meetings. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">The mailing lists are open. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">We are setting up a process to receive data and analysis. Any one who wants to submit data or analysis need to fill out an SOI along with it. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Anne: Will there be a readout of the NCAP meeting at the regular SSAC public meeting? <o:p></o:p></span>
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<li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l6 level2 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim: Good idea. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
</li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo3;vertical-align:baseline">
<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Engagement with the contractor: Any actions for Karen can only come from Matt Larson only. </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Board Resolutions: </span></u><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l9 level1 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">The reasons for SSAC’s proposal of three studies are ICANN Board resolutions. One resolution has nine questions. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l9 level1 lfo4;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Rod: Ultimately, when all the contractor work is done, it is the SSAC’s responsibility to answer all the Board’s questions. We have broaden the participation beyond SSAC members. Thank you for spending your time on this topic. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Definition of Name Collisions</span></u><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l12 level1 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">We have a basic name collisions definition. <a href="https://community.icann.org/display/NCAP/NCAP+Working+Documents?preview=%2F79437474%2F111387704%2FDefinition+of+Name+Collision+and+Scope+of+Work+for+the+NCAP.pdf">
<span style="color:#1155CC">https://community.icann.org/display/NCAP/NCAP+Working+Documents?preview=%2F79437474%2F111387704%2FDefinition+of+Name+Collision+and+Scope+of+Work+for+the+NCAP.pdf</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l12 level1 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">We think this is final. However, I want to give the opportunity here to look again. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l12 level1 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">We have the definition proposal for public comment, and get some feedback. We did get some. The admin committee did not think of anything to update. But I want to give an opportunity to provide feedback. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l12 level1 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Steve C: This is a bit opaque. <o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim G: We have some examples here in the original definition. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l12 level2 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Steve C: These are still hard, for anyone without the background. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l12 level2 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim G: The takeaway is that we need to think about who is the audience for our product. There is an implied context here.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l12 level2 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jeff N: For now, it is good to be steeped in the weeds. When you have the final product, you need to make is easily understandable to others, such as business persons or congressional staffers. When we first discussed it, we have
these types of collisions but may not discuss further. So we come up with these categories. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l12 level2 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Anne: Could we have something in the interim for the community to understand? Instead of from the end. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l12 level2 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Paul H: I would not do all three sets. I think it is perfectly reasonable to say the definition is the two sentences above plus section A. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l12 level2 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jeff N: I want to disagree with Paul H. In 2012 round we had theoretical examples, but none of them came to fruition. I disagree with Anne about Subpro. Subpro took a different approach, as we were just reviewing the 2012 round.
We asked the group, and ICANN, “did anyone notice any issues?” No one was able to give examples, except the one with google that is quickly taken care of. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l12 level2 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim: We have the technical writer. Let’s allow her to do some work. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l12 level2 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Matt: I don’t think we can rely on the contractor to define name collisions. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l12 level2 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim: The definition stands as it is. What I have taken onboard, is whether some additional context, examples, and explanatory text be added.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l12 level2 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jeff N: The contractor should proceed with this definition. Perhaps another deliverable for this group is an educational material for the community. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l12 level2 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Rubin: Subpro sub track 4 encourages outreach. We can add NCAP to that. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Two comments received. Do you have any comments or concerns? <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">None. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><u><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Review of Study 1</span></u><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Study deliverables: initial report plus a final report. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo7;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim: Would like this to be an iterative process. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo7;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Matt: Anyone in the group has document or pointers to the documentation. Please send it to the mailing list. The report would be better if it is not just Karen looking at things. But please send it to the mailing list. <o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Matt T: My SOI contains some documentations. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l7 level2 lfo7;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Anne: Anything from IETF, given Jay’s new role? <o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim: I would say it is incumbent of this group to find those documentations. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Steve S: Staff can keep the repository up to date. At the end of the day, it is up to Matt to decide whether the contractor should study it. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Karen S has no comments. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">About 8 month duration, from the original duration of six months. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l8 level1 lfo8;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Anne: At what point are we developing a gating test so that name collisions issues can be evaluated long before the whole process of ICANN staff evaluation, projection processes, appeal’s mechanisms?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">GNSO asked the Board (1) dependencies between the NCAP and the SubPro, and (2) when must those dependencies be addressed?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The GNSO Council notes that there are a number of milestones to complete prior to the delegation of additional new gTLDs. Major milestones include:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">b) Policy implementation including development of next Application Guidebook;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11 level2 lfo10;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">c) Notice of the commencement of the next round of new gTLDs;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11 level2 lfo10;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">d) Opening of the actual application window;<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11 level2 lfo10;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">e) Delegation of new gTLDs into the root.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jeff N: As NCAP work, I want to get some clarity once and for all, what work can go forward? And what work cannot go forward? <o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">We have phase 1, phases 2 and 3 is unclear. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11 level2 lfo10;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">At the end of the day, I am trying to get done the policy development process, after that there are a lot of implementation work. Then there is the announcement, that after a period of time to collect applications. Then can we
accept applications? Maybe we can accept applications but not going into delegations. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11 level2 lfo10;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">I want people get out of the vague, get the lobbying work out of the way. As a co-chair, I don’t care which one we decide, but I need concrete guidance. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim: Thanks for that. I agree with you for predictability. We should have a discussion here. <o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Anne: We are now in much stronger footing, we hope we can collaborate. I don’t think subpro should stop and wait for NCAP. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11 level2 lfo10;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jeff N: The board also submits a letter to GNSO, so as ALAC. I want everyone to be on the same page. Even if NCAP finished in two or three years, it may still run into the applications. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11 level2 lfo10;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Anne: Our work is to be done Q1 2020, the Board would like to be faced with the recommended policy end of Q2. Phase 2 is unclear. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11 level2 lfo10;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim X: From subpro, the letter to get clarification from the Board what do you mean? <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim: is there something for this group to do? <o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">I think first we need to understand the letter and the context. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l11 level2 lfo10;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Other than that, there does not seem to be an explicit action for NCAP.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jeff N: Phase 2 is really the meat. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo11;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim: Thinking aloud. Looking for opportunities of collaboration. There is significant overlap in producing the AGB and study 2. I think that’s an opportunity for us to make sure we stay aligned. We have overlap in membership for
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jeff N: I agree with that. I think if there is study 2, these two groups (NCAP, and implementation group for the applicant guidebook) should coordinate. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l4 level2 lfo11;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">NOTE: The Board has responded to the GNSO letter. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jeff N: The other part is if study 2 comes up with policy recommendations, the implementation group cannot do policy. <o:p></o:p></span>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Anne: Maybe keeping a work track open in GNSO, so that the rest of the AGB can move forward. <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim: Speaking personally, there is value in producing the statement work: 1) to better understand what is needed to answer the Board's question, and 2) to identify other areas that need to be studied. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo12;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jeff N: One thing that might help is get a touch point from karen. Is there data out there that there is useful to study for study 2, or maybe the opposite, there is no additional data. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo12;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim: Agree. Every meeting we have we will have a standard item on interacting with the contractor. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo12;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Anne: One the deliverable for study 1 is to identify the gaps. If karen identify the gaps earlier on, we could have better discussion. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo12;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim: Action for us is to review the 10 questions from the Board, and start to review the 10 questions from the Board to see what those questions means, and discuss what we need to answer those questions. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo12;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Matt: I need to think about it. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l3 level2 lfo12;vertical-align:baseline">
<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Jim: So to clarify, we identify something and ask Karen is that something she has observed in the research, or those has been studied. If she has not seen those, we need to note that as a gap. So we are not given Karen new
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Resuming regular meetings: next meeting<o:p></o:p></span>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Tom: Will there be advice for people who are leaking queries to root? </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jim: There is no guarantee that you can reach them. </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jim: For the part that are under ICANN community’s control. We’d provide advice to those who have collision traffic on what to do. </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Steve C: There is no analysis that an effort of outreach will reduce the amount of leakage. It is not the remit of this group, but the general hygiene is a good and positive
idea. </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Paul H: ICANN did that in 2012, a guide to IT professionals, and tell people if you are leaking them, here is what you should do. If there are revisions to that, it can be
done. It has some impact. </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Steve C: How effective is that? </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Paul H: It is hard to measure. I got some anecdotal evidence that it is good. </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Steve C: Were you able to direct to the root causes? </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Paul H: No, definitely not. </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Steve C: If the Cisco and Microsoft documents changes. Would it have an effect? </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Paul H: Yes, Microsoft has changed the documentation. </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Steve C: Any there is no changes in the measured effect? </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Paul H: No change, it is so noisy. </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Tom: What about alternative resolution technologies? </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Paul H: There is no formal recommendation, but informal recommendation is don’t do it. </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jeff: There are some Crypto currency private TLDs. We are interested to see whether there are collisions for those. </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">DECISIONS / ACTION ITEMS: </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt">For future SSAC public meetings at ICANN, include an agenda for a readout of the most recent NCAP meeting. (SSAC action)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo14;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">The contractor should proceed with the current definition. The NCAP WG add a potential deliverable to provide some educational material for the community on the definition of name collisions. (NCAP WP action) <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo14;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Staff keep the NCAP background work repository up to date. Anyone in the group who contribute pointers on background work should send it to the mailing list. Matt to decide whether the contractor should study those. (NCAP Admin
Committee action) <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo14;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Add a standing agenda item to every future NCAP meeting to interact with the contractor. The contractor can bring up any issues or concerns (NCAP Admin Committee action)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo14;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">NCAP WG will try to meet the first week of December. Then weekly in December 2019. Starting Jan 2020, the group will try to meet weekly (staff action)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo14;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">For the next meeting, the NCAP WG to start to review the ten questions from the Board to see: 1) what those questions means, 2) what needs to be done to answer those questions. The group may also have an opportunity to interact
with the contractor to see if she has seen research or results that point to the those.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo14;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Add a break for future NCAP F2F meetings (NCAP Admin action)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo14;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-size:12.0pt">Coordination between subpro and its follow up efforts with NCAP. (NCAP Admin committee action) <o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">NCAP-Discuss <ncap-discuss-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Kimberly Carlson <kimberly.carlson@icann.org><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, November 2, 2019 at 9:46 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"ncap-discuss@icann.org" <ncap-discuss@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>[NCAP-Discuss] NCAP Discussion Group F2F at ICANN66<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear NCAP Discussion Group,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please find the notes from yesterday’s F2F meeting here:
</span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1WvEPT1vU7WCdrDUKUshs1eNYJgu5vIQuiNhFotQRV24_edit-3Fpli-3D1&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=O16Ko7V_SvDE5jZHxFQsUEzduEwmIp0AxPl2Gzy-KTc&m=ri1xUITu0m_wk0dD7gCg_Wj3X4br56Vlwp7V89f8HLQ&s=nl09V0T2alMXpIEP_n5KTQaoZx-k_vgnKjm2_AucGC8&e=">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WvEPT1vU7WCdrDUKUshs1eNYJgu5vIQuiNhFotQRV24/edit?pli=1#
[docs.google.com]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Here is the recording: </span>
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icann.zoom.us_recording_share_Ab-2D8xWI-2Df0AWtv6ao97oh9bUyopZXjMj4yn-2Dya7Cs5qwIumekTziMw-3FstartTime-3D1572629426000&d=DwMGaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=O16Ko7V_SvDE5jZHxFQsUEzduEwmIp0AxPl2Gzy-KTc&m=ri1xUITu0m_wk0dD7gCg_Wj3X4br56Vlwp7V89f8HLQ&s=DgFbgBSmn47MHL8JA6AMHNO5FrtYhSSH_2RP5xjmPsY&e=" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;background:#F8F8F8;text-decoration:none">https://icann.zoom.us/recording/share/Ab-8xWI-f0AWtv6ao97oh9bUyopZXjMj4yn-ya7Cs5qwIumekTziMw?startTime=1572629426000</span>
[icann.zoom.us]</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Kim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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