[Neobrahmigp] Summary of work to be done by NBGP

Fri Apr 28 11:17:00 UTC 2017

Dear All,

Following the discussion during the call today, here is a summary of the work which needs to be accomplished by NBGP:

For each of the nine scripts being worked on by NBGP, the work has at least the following five steps which can be done in sequence or (some parts) in parallel.  The following steps are only an attempt to explain the Procedure<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/draft-lgr-procedure-20mar13-en.pdf>, where the latter remains the overriding reference point for this work.  Additional Guidelines<https://community.icann.org/display/croscomlgrprocedure/Document+Repository?preview=/43989034/54001768/Guidelines%20for%20LGR.pdf> are also available.

i.                 Determine the languages in scope of the analysis for the script; A script may be used by many languages.  However, for the Root Zone, not all languages may be included.  For example, Language status EGIDS scale<https://www.ethnologue.com/about/language-status> may be used to include all languages between level 0-4, exclude those 6-above, and analyse level 5 languages on case to case basis for inclusion (level 5 excluded by default).

a.      List the languages considered, shortlisted and excluded in the LGR proposal

ii.                Short-list the relevant code point repertoire for the script; In the MSR<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/msr-2015-06-21-en> (PDF<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-2-non-cjk-13apr15-en.pdf> (yellow highlighted); XML<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/msr-2-wle-rules-13apr15-en.xml>), many candidate code points are listed but not all may be relevant. For the Root Zone LGR, per RFC 6912, NBGP needs to undertake an inclusion based analysis – meaning, that start with no code points included and then for each language selected in step i. above, select the relevant code points which must be included.  This involves at least two steps:

a.      Finalize the principles to decided which code points must be included

b.      Based on the principles, finalize the short-list of code points included for the script.  Please note that this includes documenting reference for each code point included based on the relevant language selected.

iii.               Define the variant code points and their types for the script; Variant code points need to be defined for each script.  Though variant analysis is different from the similarity analysis, the two may overlap.  For example, homoglyphs may be treated as variants.  The analysis at least has three steps:

a.      Discuss and document how to define variants in the different scripts being analyzed.  Examples from other script communities who have finished their work could be considered as a starting point.  However, eventually a set of principles needs to be derived which addresses the specific needs of the relevant script community being considered by the NBGP.

b.      Based on the principles in a. above, determine the variant code points within a script;  Once the variants are defined, determine whether these should be “blocked” or “allocatable”.  By default “blocked” variants are preferred.  However, where it is needed, “allocatable” variants may be considered, but these must be kept minimal.

c.      Based on these principles, also determine any variant code points across different scripts within the scope of NBGP, called cross-script variant code points.  Cross-script variant code points should generally be “blocked”.

iv.               Articulate the Whole Label Evaluation (WLE) rules; Based on experience gained from other GPs, it is clear that such rules vary in their level of detail and, therefore, complexity.  So NBGP needs to strike the right level of balance, as simplicity is one of the recommended principles<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6912>. This has normally been an iterative process with other GPs and same would be expected for NBGP.  What is clearer now is that these rules should remain at script level and should not enforce spellings of languages – to ensure that innovation remains part of the label generation process, e.g. “flickr” in flickr.com does not conform to spelling rules.

v.                Finalize and publish the LGR proposal; Once the analysis has been completed, it needs to be documented and also encoded in the LGR XML format (RFC 7940<https://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc7940.txt>) and tested (using test labels from different languages using the script).  Document LGR in three files for each of the nine scripts (scripts 1-9):

a.      NBGP-script-n.pdf

b.      NBGP-script-n.xml

c.      NBGP-script-n-testLabels.txt

We would encourage you to see the proposals completed by other GPs<https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/lgr-proposals-2015-12-01-en> as samples for the work to be done by NBGP.  NBGP should eventually produce nine LGRs, one for each script.

We would also request you to review the documents proposed (see the links above).

Please let me know if you have any queries.

Regards,
Sarmad

From: neobrahmigp-bounces at icann.org [mailto:neobrahmigp-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Ajay DATA
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 7:56 AM
To: neobrahmigp at icann.org
Subject: [Neobrahmigp] Dial-IN details for 28th April

Dial: 011-39407000
Pin: 6712778#

Please connect at 2:25pm. No physical meeting is organised today due to lack of confirmed participation.

Members interested in NBGP, were requested to send their crisp technical capabilities or share experience so that panel can utilise their skills. Still awaited..

Tentative Agenda for today:
Akshat to brief status for draft.
Sarmad to guide for LGR process (brief).
Reconstitute panel.
Nepal - face to face

Talk to you at 2:30 pm today.

Ajay Data
On April 27, 2017 5:11:45 PM GMT+05:30, Chitrita Chatterjee <chitrita at iamai.in> wrote:

For tomorrow's remote participation, sharing the dial in details:

Dial: 011-39407000
Pin: 6712778#

Look forward to connecting at 2.30 pm tom.

regards,

chitrita

Chitrita Chatterjee
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On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Udaya Narayana Singh <unsciil51 at gmail.com<mailto:unsciil51 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Ok. So I will try and connect remotely. Regards,

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On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 at 13:02, Dr. AJAY D A T A
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Please do not plan as of now,, as it look not anyone else is coming for physical meeting, in this case,, we will do remote only.

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Subject: Re: [Neobrahmigp] Re : Re: Proposed Meeting on 28th April
Date: 27 Apr 2017 12:51:37 PM
I shall participate but as I am new to Delhi roads, it might require some efforts on my part to find out the way and reach there driving myself from Manesar. Regards,

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On Thursday, 27 April 2017 12:27 PM, Dr. AJAY D A T A <ajay at data.in<mailto:ajay at data.in>> wrote:

Dear Members,

Please confirm your participation , who all are coming, so that proper arrangements can be made. An early response will be highly appreciated.

A message on NBGP Whatsapp group will make it bit better. IF you are not yet in the group, please add my number +91982806666 and send your message to add you in group, I will do the needful.

Take care.

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Subject: Re: [Neobrahmigp] Proposed Meeting on 28th April
Date: 17 Apr 2017 01:58:12 PM
Dear All,

Happy to host the meeting.

Date: 28.04.2017
Time: 2.30 pm thru 4 pm
Venue: #28, First Floor, Okhla Industrial Estate-Phase III, New Delhi 110020
[please take the Modi Mills entrance]

Looking forward to a good discussion,

Regards,

Chitrita

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To: neo brahmi <neobrahmigp at icann.org<mailto:neobrahmigp at icann.org>>
Subject: [Neobrahmigp] Proposed Meeting on 28th April

Dear All,

Before we go to Nepal for two day agenda, we need to have meeting to understand importance of LGR, individual roles, contribution we can make and finalize agenda for Nepal.

Please make it convenient to attend NBGP meeting on 28th April at 2:30pm in IAMAI office.  Thank you Chitrita for hosting the meeting .  Please do share the venue address, direction details and dial-in details for audio connection with members.

I am again inclined to request you to please get yourself added into NBGP whatsapp group for more active discussion and remain in touch.

Looking forward to see you soon.

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