[Neobrahmigp] Inputs from the Devanagari Nepali and Newar Languages for the Devanagari LGR report
Akshat Joshi
akshatj at cdac.in
Mon Aug 7 08:16:33 UTC 2017
Hello Dr. Bal and our Nepal team,
Thanks for putting together the document for Nepali and Newar languages
for Devanagari script.
Following are my observations:
1. Code point repertoire for the Devanagari Nepali and Newar languages
- As I see, the currently shared Devanagari LGR takes into account
all the characters required by Nepali and Newar. Please let me know if
there is some discrepancy related to the same. Also, it would be great
if you could cite some additional references in the last column
"References" which depict use of the individual characters in everyday
use. They could be different references for different characters.
- Also, as required, the 0931 (Ra Nukta) has been contextually
permitted to form eyelash reph only.
2. Composite characters – Confusingly similar shapes
- The similar looking cases which are mere confusions on part of
the user may not form part of the Devanagari variants. As per the LGR
procedure, these cases are subject to "String Similarity Assessment"
panel. As discussed in the Kathmandu meeting, I can definitely put them
in Appendix with a reference for the string similarity panel to take
them into account as an official recommendation from the NBGP.
Having said the above, I myself have contradicted to the above by
including some of the "confusingly similar" cases as a part of variant
recommendations for LGR. These are the cases pertaining to Santhali
combinations where Nukta is expected to come with certain Vowels and
Vowel signs. These are Unique cases because the "non-Santhali user-base
of Devanagari" (which is major part of it) may not at all imagine
presence of Nukta at those locations. Such instances may thus be
construed by them as Stylistic variants/rendering problems thereby not
making them sound an alarm. The point being, these are not mere visual
similarity cases as they involve a congnitive lapse. This makes them
worth being explicitly cited as variant.
- Regarding similarity based on fonts:
I would request to refer to our discussion as per mail on 28th July
'17 on the topic.
- Regarding similarity between र + ् + इ and ई:
This is already being barred by our context rules which are based
on earlier work done by C-DAC for .bharat domain names.
3. Homophonic variants
- As rightly pointed out in your document, these rules may not
uniformly apply across the board to all the languages using Devanagari.
Most of the suggestions under this section fall under the spelling norms
which is not what we are aiming through LGR creation. An example for the
same in English is e.g. No three consonants can come together to form a
meaningful word, however fli*ckr* is still a domain name widely accepted
and used by the Internet Community. In the same spirit, we will restrict
ourselves from going in the "spelling norms". Also, not all spelling
norms are algorithmically predictable and vary a great deal across the
community.
As far as variant aspect of such words is concerned, there are two
things about it.
- As per classical approach of domain name system, such cases are
not treated as variants as their appearance is completely different.
e.g. color vs colour.
- Also, even though it may appear that such cases can be
algorithmically predicted going by the varga classification in Brahmi,
across linguistic communities, these cases differ. The varga
classification and it's last nasal consonant is perfect system in itself
for predicting nasalization and conjuct behaviors in words, however it
is not how it has come down into popular usage across the communities.
The point being, it cannot be algorithmically predicted which is basic
requirement under the LGR procedure.
Regarding Halant ending words:
This we can accommodate as the ending halant in many cases is not
clearly visible. Just like Santhali variant cases, these can be missed
by users by not expecting them to be. Request all for a feedback on the
same.
These are my views. Please feel free to discuss further on these points.
Regards,
Akshat Joshi
On 03-08-2017 12:06, Bal Krishna Bal wrote:
> Hello Akshat and All,
> Please find attached the inputs from the Devanagari Nepali and Newar
> Languages for the Devanagari LGR Report.
> Regards,
> Bal Krishna
>
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Regards,
Akshat Joshi
C-DAC GIST
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