[Neobrahmigp] IP feedback on the Draft Devanagari LGR
Akshat Joshi
akshatj at cdac.in
Wed Oct 11 08:05:49 UTC 2017
Dear Dr. Bal and All,
Thank you for the feedback on IP's feedback.
In the new referencing system, I have removed the reference to the
Inscript keyboard. Hence I am not putting this too as a reference. For
the code-point repertoire, referencing Hindi, Marathi, Sanskrit,
Kashmiri and Sindhi seem to be covering all the languages using
Devanagari. Hence I have given references of those five only. If further
demanded by IP for inclusion of additional references, I will certainly
consider this input. In case I do not, please point it out at that time
and I will certainly add the same. I hope this will be fine.
Also, thanks for the clarification on Halanta ending variants, we have
dropped that variant recommendation.
Regards,
Akshat
On 09-10-2017 23:21, Bal Krishna Bal wrote:
> Dear Akshat and All,
> Going through the feedback from IP, I don't see much that can be added
> specifically for Devanagari-based languages spoken in Nepal (Nepali,
> Newar and Tamang). I just wanted to add a few information based on
> some of the comments from the IP feedback document:
>
> 1. Reference for keyboard layout for Nepali:[Nepali Unicode
> Romanized/Traditional]
> http://ltk.org.np/keyboard_layouts.php
>
> Although some unicode based Newar keyboard layouts are said to exist,
> they don't seem to be publicly available. Tamang does not yet have a
> separate unicode based keyboard layout of its own. So, the above two
> layouts for Nepali can be referenced as the official keyboard layouts
> for the Devanagari based languages in Nepal.
>
> 2. As far as halanta ending labels are concerned, I am putting the
> excerpt from the input document we provided earlier below:
>
> ----------------
>
> In Nepali, there is growing trend to use or drop the “halanta”
> character at the end of word and vice-versa. There are just a limited
> set of such words in the Nepali dictionary.
>
> For example,
>
> परिषद् vs परिषद
>
> संवत् vs संवत
>
> सांसद् vs सांसद
>
> Any word with/without halanta ending should be treated as a “blocked”
> variant.
>
> --------------
>
>
> From the above, we can infer that the halanta ending in labels is not
> a very strict requirement for Nepali. So should there be a consensus
> to drop the case, we are fine with that as well.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bal Krishna
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
> Bal Krishna Bal,PhD
> Assistant Professor
> Lead Researcher - Information and Language Processing Research Lab
> Department of Computer Science and Engineering
> Kathmandu, University
> Dhulikhel, Kavre
> Nepal
> Homepage: http://ku.edu.np/cse/faculty/bal
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Sarmad Hussain
> <sarmad.hussain at icann.org <mailto:sarmad.hussain at icann.org>> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Thank you for sharing the draft of the Devanagari Root Zone LGR
> proposal for review by the Integration Panel.
>
> Please find attached their feedback containing the following
> documents:
>
> 1. Feedback document from IP
> 2. Updated XML file, per the feedback
> 3. Corresponding (more readable) HTML version derived from the
> XML file
>
> Please let us know if you have any queries about the feedback.
> You are requested to consider the feedback as you update the
> proposal.
>
> Regards,
> Sarmad
>
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> *Sent:* Sunday, September 10, 2017 12:12 AM
> *To:* Akshat Joshi <akshatj at cdac.in <mailto:akshatj at cdac.in>>;
> NeobrahmiGP at icann.org <mailto:NeobrahmiGP at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Neobrahmigp] Draft Devanagari LGR
>
> Thank you Akshat, All.
>
> We have forwarded the proposal documents to IP for feedback, along
> with the queries in the email.
>
> We will get back to you with their response soon.
>
> Regards,
> Sarmad
>
> *From:*neobrahmigp-bounces at icann.org
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> [mailto:neobrahmigp-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:neobrahmigp-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Akshat Joshi
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 07, 2017 11:59 PM
> *To:* NeobrahmiGP at icann.org <mailto:NeobrahmiGP at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Neobrahmigp] Draft Devanagari LGR
>
> Dear All,
>
> Please find attached, copy of the Devanagari LGR which can be
> submitted to Integration Panel for their early comments.
>
> The Devanagari LGR document is also accompanied with the XML file
> of the same.
>
> Dr. Data you may please take this to the IP with following points:
>
> 1. In the XML, framing of the rule "follows-only-C-or-CN" has been
> done as per our understanding. It may need corrections. Request IP
> to suggest.
>
> 2. Variants:
>
> - As per reciprocity of variants, the variant sequences have been
> reproduced in the <data> section. It may need corrections. Request
> IP to suggest.
>
> - The "Halant ending" variants mentioned in section 6.2 in LGR
> document is a case of conditional and null variant. It was not
> clear how to put that in XML. It has not been done. Request IP to
> suggest.
>
> 3. Some of the language's data is expected to be received in few
> days. Once received, that too will be incorporated into this.
> Those have been marked in red.
>
> Regards,
>
> Akshat Joshi
>
> On 28-08-2017 17:58, Akshat Joshi wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Please find attached, most recent version of the Devangari LGR
> with all the suggestions/changes incorporated till date.
>
> We are still in process of getting information on the
> languages which use Devanagari, fall within EGIDS scale 1 to 4
> and are yet to be covered by the NBGP. If we can complete that
> by end of August, we will release the final version of the
> Devanagari LGR document which can be sent to Integration Panel
> for their review.
>
> I hope this pre-final draft will act as a good basis for
> tomorrow's call.
>
> There are two things that I have marked in red in the document.
> 1. The name of the accompanying XML file which we will
> finalize after the finalization of the LGR rules and
> repertoire. You may please ignore that for now.
> 2. Some of the languages which are yet to be taken into account
>
> Major changes done to the document are:
> 1. Changes suggested by Dr. Bal regarding name change to Newar
> and Nepali being official language of Nepal
> 2. Additional Halanta ending variant has been added (up for
> discussion)
> 3. Principles for inclusion of characters have been added in
> Guiding Principles section (up for discussion)
> 4. The case of V preceded by an H has been explicitly
> mentioned under the WLE section (up for discussion)
>
> Regards,
> Akshat Joshi
>
> On 04-08-2017 17:57, Akshat Joshi wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> Please find attached, draft LGR document for Devanagari.
> Request all to give the feedback on the same so that it
> can be finally modified for sending across to the
> Integration Panel for comments.
>
> There are two things that I have marked in red in the
> document.
> 1. The name of the accompanying XML file which we will
> finalize after the finalization of the LGR rules and
> repertoire. You may please ignore that for now.
> 2. Some of the languages which are yet to be taken into
> account
>
> Apart from that, I have taken into consideration the
> feedback received for Nepali and Newari . Only the
> Variants have not been taken into account as they conflict
> with the "No confusingly similar cases as Variants" policy
> of LGR Procedure. I will separately reply to the proposed
> variants in Nepali and Newari. However, some such cases
> pertaining to Santhali have been added to the Variant
> table. We can discuss the same over the mails. If
> required, will make further changes if needed.
>
> Major changes done to the document are:
> 1. Akshar formation rules have been simplified and
> inapplicable cases have been removed e.g. Avagraha and Digits
> 2. Anusvara and Chandrabindu have been made separate
> categories as discussed in the Kathmandu F2F meet.
> 3. Santhali nukta requirements have been incorporated and
> the WLE section has been modified accordingly.
> 4. List of languages has been modified as per the EGIDS
> scale 1 to 4
> 5. Guiding principles have been added for code-point selection
> 6. Code-points as required by Sindhi and Kashmiri have
> been added
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Akshat Joshi
>
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